SF Roosevelt Sweetstakes
2015 — SD/US
Novice Policy Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideI coach for the University of Minnesota. I'm a former college debater for the U of M and HS coach at Edina High School. My paradigm generally boils down to "debate is a game and I'll vote for whoever wins it". I am good with fairly technical debates, enjoy it when a final rebuttal is succinct and highlights my easy ways out of the round at the top, and value clash and line-by-line debating fairly highly. I have no strong bias against any individual debate position (see part 7 before running positions generally considered strange in front of me) assuming the debaters do a good job of debating said position. I have below listed a more specific set of my beliefs on individual positions that might answer some questions you have, if not you can obviously ask me before the round.
1. Topicality- I do evaluate T on a fairly truth-based paradigm. I am generally aff leaning when the affirmative is reading a blatantly topical aff and the negative goes for something like T-substantial. That said, if the aff is questionably topical or blatantly untopical I might be a good judge for you to go for T in front of because I value the technical side of the debate so highly. Affs that do something that might not be obviously core of the topic, or that are purposely untopical and attempt to out-card the other team on topicality annoy me, and I am more prone to vote neg on T in those instances. That said, I do usually default to an offense-defense paradigm unless convinced otherwise, and believe that the standards debate is where 95% of the T debate should be done, and not arguing about whose interpretation is better worded. T debates are won on standards, not on whose interpretation card is more qualified.
2. Theory- I am more tech leaning on the theory debate, although that only goes to a certain point. I'd say that most judges are not huge fans of voting for theory, and I'm not an exception to the rule. Just because the other team doesn't explicitly answer "Dispo Solves" on the condo debate doesn't mean you are going to get an automatic negative ballot. If you want me to vote on theory, as a general rule, you should probably have a pretty good in-round abuse story, or it should be dropped. Alternately, a very good explanation of why the world of their interpretation is bad may suffice. I don't necessarily need in-round abuse (it does sort of sound stupid to say abuse, but whatever) but it does make it easier for me to vote and I won't need as in-depth discussion of your standards and who accesses things like fairness and education better.
As a very wise judge once said, I am not responsible for flowing your 40 point theory block at your top spreading speed. It is also important to note that I hold extrapolation on theory to a high standard, if you read a tiny condo block in the 2AC, shadow extend it in the 1AR, and then somehow spend 5 minutes on it in the 2AR I am unlikely to allow it, or more likely to allow the 2NR's "new" answers. I don't want this to scare you from going for theory in rounds that involve something that is reasonably theoretically objectionable. The more specific the theory debate, the better. I'm more likely to vote on "no solvency advocate theory" than conditionality. Or on conditionality if they read 4 conditional advocacies instead of 2.
3. Disads- Aff specific is good, but I realize that isn't always possible. I have no proclivities for or against them, they are a part of debate. I do enjoy a well thought out disad + counterplan, or disad + case debate. I appreciate offensive kickouts of disads when possible and generally seem to award speaker points to teams who do so, possibly simply due to the positive perception of the skill of the team that it leaves me with.
4. Counterplans- Kind of covered under theory, I don't start out thinking that any of them are completely cheating (although if you go for the "the" pic I may think slightly less favorably of said position at the end of the round). I think that most CPs, whether they be PICs or process cps are strategic, and the theoretical justifications should be debated along with substantive strategies. That said, I do seem to follow debate community views of which CPs are more unfair/cheating, I just don't think that I think they are as unfair in general as seems to be thought. Sometimes conditions counterplans are strategic, you just need to be better than the aff at justifying why it should be allowed.
5. Kritiks- I do not have a very extensive understanding of much of the critical theory that goes into Kritik debate beyond the most base level. If you want me to vote on a nuanced argument or interaction between your arguments and theirs you're going to need to spell it out for me. I do find myself voting for kritiks when the affirmative teams seem to be defaulting to non-specific answers to most kritiks, which I find sad considering that specific answers to a non-aff-specific kritik are fairly devastating. I think that negative teams should try to make their kritik as specific to the affirmative as possible, and definitely read case specific links, and explanation of specific parts of their case that link and in-depth analysis generally lead to higher speaker points. I find that negatives almost always need to spend more time on the alternative debate to convince me that the alternative is able to resolve the harms that they isolate than they usually do, and reward teams that explain their alternatives to a comprehensible degree. I also have noticed a trend of teams reading kritikal arguments, not answering certain aff arguments because they think they don't have to, and losing on them (See Part 6). I expect negatives to either answer all the affirmative arguments, or at the very least explain to my why they don't have to. I evaluate dropped arguments as true, and as I am probably not as deeply versed in the literature of the kritik you are running as you are, you should tell me why I don't have to at the very least if you don't want to receive an RFD you find confusing at the end of the round.
6. Performance/Kritikal Affs- Fairly comfortable/fine with these but I usually default to requiring good line-by-line debate in these rounds too unless I'm given a reason to think otherwise. This means that you should make sure you answer all of the other team's arguments or at least tell me why you don't have to instead of assuming that I believe that you don't have to just as much as you do. I find it hard to vote for teams based on their personal narratives and whatnot without a good explanation of why they shouldn't have to answer the negative's (or affirmative's) specific arguments and a good reason why voting for their personal narrative is a good thing. If you think that you do those things as a performance team, I might be a good judge for you, as I am usually willing to give out fairly high speaker points to teams who do the above things well. You should also look to my discussion in part 5 about not having very in-depth or nuanced knowledge of a lot of critical theory.
7. Silly/Wacky Arguments- Basically you just have to win them to win the round, although I do have a proclivity to dislike arguments that you win just because the other team wasn't prepared for or hadn't heard of it. Those kinds of arguments might include: Gregorian Calendar, Nonsensical Kritiks (unless explained in a good way to make them not-nonsensical), Ashtar, ASPEC (any spec really), etc.
8. Speaking- I am good with speed, but value clarity very highly. I will say clear once during your speech, and if you do not improve I will begin docking speaker points. I am also not responsible for flowing your arguments unless I actually hear them, I will not call or look through evidence to find out what the arguments you made were, just to find out how well substantiated they are. Debate is a persuasion activity, if you do not talk clearly I will neither hear nor be persuaded by your argument.
9. Flashing/Emailing- I don't take prep for flashing or emailing as a general rule with 2 caveats: 1. If one of the teams is debating on paper I will take prep for the other team flashing/emailing so as not to disadvantage the paper team, 2. If your flashing takes an excessive amount of time (generally over a minute) I will begin to take it out of your prep time.
One last thing, please do impact comparison and calculus at the end of the round and tell a story about what your world looks like when I vote for you or let me know what I'm voting for. If I end the round with an extinction scenario on each side and no comparison I will be forced to call the evidence and do the analysis for you to pick a winner, and I would much rather not intervene in your round. Debate well and have fun.
E-mail for email chains and/or questions:Travis.Dahle@k12.sd.us
tl/dr - I prefer old school argumentation but won't intervene - I'm also old and slower on flowing 5/10 - don't waste time on evidence sharing
Lincoln-Douglas Paradigm
I have very little national circuit experience in LD as I primarily judge public forum and policy debate (see more on that below). In LD I am more of a traditional judge as in I like a discussion of the resolution from the standpoint of a value and value-criterion and contention debate. That being said, at Dowling I voted for a Plant-ontology aff, a Counter-plan on the neg, etc. so while I prefer the classic style, I don't intervene into the round either and if you have a good RoB, then I'll listen to it and will focus the debate on that if that's what you make it.
I'm about a 5/10 on speed. I'm old now and prefer to actually hear the evidence of the debate rather than read the evidence on an e-mail chain...
Public Forum Paradigm
Public Forum should NOT be a shorter version of Policy Debate. Meaning, I don't want to see K's, DA's, Topicality, Plans and CP's in Public Forum - nor am I a big fan of speed in PF. I love policy debate, but I also love that Public Forum is not policy and it's an option for people who don't want to do policy debate. This doesn't mean that you can't go a little faster than you would for a lay judge, but don't go crazy.
****EVIDENCE SHARING****
This should absolutely NOT TAKE SO FREAKING LONG!!!!! Seriously people, you should all have your evidence ready to be shared - in fact, I would prefer that people actually share their evidence before they begin their speeches if everyone is going to spend this much time asking for evidence. PF rounds are becoming 90 minute rounds because apparently trying to find evidence and asking about evidence magically doesn't come out of any prep time or crossfire time, but magic time that doesn't exist.
IF YOU WASTE THAT MUCH TIME TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER YOUR EVIDENCE PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR I AM GOING TO START DECREASING POINTS! Have your poop in a group people - this is getting old!
Big Questions Debate - I don't judge BQ a ton, however, I'd look at my paradigm much like the PF and LD paradigms below.
tl/dr - Slow down, enunciate, use evidence and weight the debate at the end - do it all respectfully to your opponent
Extemp Paradigm
I am a mix of content and delivery when it comes to judging. When it comes to sources, don't make stuff up. With the internet available now, if I suspect you are making things up, I will probably check it when you are speaking. You don't have to make stuff up - unlike the olden days where you hoped to have a file on the Togo questions Washington put out each year - you can literally google your info and bring it up instantly.
Also - ANSWER THE QUESTION - don't waffle - pick a stance and tell me why you choose that way. Pretty simple.
Don't overly fidget or dance around - but don't be a robot either.
Have fun!!!!
Policy Paradigm
In essence, I am a tabula rosa judge, meaning that I will pretty much listen to anything and will evaluate it based on the arguments in the round. That doesn't mean I don't have things I prefer or things I think are bad arguments (which I will go over) - but for the most part, I will listen to anything in the round. However, unless you tell me how you want me to evaluate the round, I will default to a Policy Making paradigm. I have been the head coach at Washington HS since 2009.
Speed: I've gotten old here and have grown weary with blazing speed - put me down as a 5/10 on speed. I'd rather have the ability to hear the evidence instead of having to read through everything on an e-mail chain. If you go too fast I'll let you know - you won't automatically lose, you'll just annoy me a little - unless you ignore me, which if I'm on a 3-judge panel and I'm the outlier - I totally get.
Tag-Team CX - It's okay, but I'm not a huge fan of this. One thing I like about policy is that you should know what you are talking about. I don't mind the occasional help, but if you keep answering every question, it makes your partner look like a tool. And even if they are, you probably don't want to show that they are in front of judges.
Arguments I like: I have always felt that the more you know about what a judge likes and dosn't like is essential to winning debate rounds, so to make it easier on you, these are the type of arguments that I prefer to be seen run.
Case Debate - this is a lost art in the debate community. Why as a negative are you granting them their harms and their solvency? If you can have some solid arguments against their case and point out the serious flaws in them, that will help you weight your DA's, K's and CP's over them.
Economic DA's - I have an economic background and like Econ DA's as long as they are run correctly. Generic spending DA's are usually not run correctly.
There are other DA's, but those usually vary by each year, but as long as you have a solid link to the case, you should be good to go.
Arguments I'm not wild about: Again, the more you know, the better off you will be. Once you read this list does it mean to absolutely not run these arguments - no. What it means is that you better run them better than most teams who run the crappy versions of them. I'll vote for these arguments (and have lots of times) - I'm just not wild about them.
Politics DA's - I've changed a lot on these and used to hate them but realize the strategic advantage of them. That being said, not my biggest fan, but have voted for a lot of them over the years
K's Read at blazing speed - I don't mind some K's, but most of the authors that debaters cite go so beyond the realm of what is possible to discuss in a debate round that they end up bastardizing the entire theory they are supposidly trying to use. Also, if I haven't researched and read the material, how can I evaluate it if you are reading it at a blazzingly fast speed. I don't mind K's, but I'd like to understand them, so please, assume I haven't read the theory - because I probably haven't.
Performance - this is just my inexperience with performance. I've probably only judged it a couple of times, so if you do performance, I may not understand how to evaluate it and might default to the policy framework - so you need to make sure to explain to me the role of the ballot and my role in the debate. I have voted for Performance affs and discourse affs - again, more inexperience than anything makes me put this in the category of things I'm not wild about.
As always, I'm open to questions before the round if you have any other specifics. All in all, I like good debates - if you can argue well and clash with each other, I really don't care what is argued - as long as it is argued well!
This is my second year judging,
I don't really like topicality--I'll vote on reasonability.
DA's, CP's, K's are good.
I don't really like theory.
Speed: 6/10
email: colter.heirigs@gmail.com
POLICY PARADIGM:
I have been coaching Policy Debate full time since 2014. Arms sales is my 7th year of coaching.
I view my primary objective in evaluating the round to be coming to a decision that requires the least “judge intervention.”
If debaters do not give me instructions on how to evaluate the debate, and/or leave portions of the debate unresolved, they should not expect to get my ballot. My decision will end up being arbitrary, and (while I will likely still try to make my arbitrary decision less arbitrary than not) I will not feel bad.
In the final rebuttals, debaters should be giving me a “big picture” assessment of what’s going on in the debate to give them the best chance to get my ballot. Extending 25 arguments in the rebuttals doesn’t do much for me if you’re not explaining how they interact with the other team’s arguments and/or why they mean you win the round. In my ideal debate round, both 2NR and 2AR have given me at least a 45 second overview explaining why they’ve won the debate where they dictate the first paragraph of my ballot for me.
Important things to note:
-I don’t ever think Topicality is an RVI (*this is distinct from kritiks of the neg’s interp/use of topicality*)
-If you don’t signpost AND slow down for tags, assume that I am missing at least 50% of your tags. This means saying a number or a letter or “AND” or “NEXT” prior to the tag of your card, and preferably telling me which of your opponents arguments I should flow it next to. Speech docs are not substitutes for clarity and signposting.
-I'm probably a 7 on speed, but please see above ^^^^
-High-theory will be an uphill battle.
-I would prefer not to call for cards, I believe it’s the debaters job to clearly communicate their arguments; if you tell me they’re misrepresenting their cards – I will probably call for them. But if I call for it and they’re not misrepresenting their evidence you’ll lose a lot of credibility with me and my cognitive biases will likely run amuck. Don’t let this deter you from calling out bad evidence.
-You can win the line-by-line debate in the 2AR but still lose the debate if you fail to explain what any of it means and especially how it interacts with the 2NR's args.
-Don’t assume I have any familiarity with your Acronyms, Aff, or K literature
-Swearing is probably word inefficient
-You’re in a bad spot if you’re reading new cards in the final rebuttals, very low propensity for me to evaluate them
-CPs that result in the aff are typically going to be a very hard sell, so are most other artificially competitive CPs. Perms are cool, so are time tradeoffs for the aff when this happens. If you really think you've got a sick techy CP make sure to go out of your way to win questions of competition/superior solvency / a specific link to the aff plan alone for your NB
-I think debate is a competition.
-the best “framework” arguments are probably “Topicality” arguments and almost probably don’t rely on cards from debate coaches and definitely don’t rely on me reading them after the round
-Impact everything out... Offense and Defense... I want to hear you telling me why your argument is more pressing and important than the other team's. I hate having to intervene... "Magnitude," "Probability," and "Timeframe" are not obscenities, please use them.
Arguments you shouldn’t waste your time on with me:
-Topicality = RVI (*this is distinct from kritiks of the neg’s interp/use of topicality*)
-Consult CPs
I am going to have the easiest time evaluating rounds where:
-warrant and evidence comparison is made
-weighing mechanisms and impact calculus guiding how I evaluate micro & macro level args are utilized
-the aff advocates a topical plan
-the DA turns and Outweighs the Case, or the CP solves most of the case and there's a clear net benefit that the perm doesn't solve for
-the negative has a well-researched neg strategy
-I am not expected to sort through high-theory
-the 2NR/2AR doesn't go for everything and makes strategic argument selection
Presumptions I bring into the round that probably cannot be changed:
-I’m voting Neg on presumption until the aff reads the 1AC
-Topicality is never an RVI (*this is distinct from kritiks of the neg’s interp/use of topicality*)
-There is no 3NR
-Oppression of humans = bad (note: I do not know how this compares to the end of the planet/human race, debaters are going to have to provide weighing mechanisms for me.)
-Earth existing = good (note: I do not know how this compares to other impacts like oppression of humans, debaters are going to have to provide some weighing mechanisms for me.)
-I will have a very difficult time bringing myself to vote for any sort of Consult CP if the aff even mumbles some type of “PERM”
-Once the 2AC perms, presumption goes to the neg to prove the perm unworkable or undesirable if the CP/Alt is not textually/functionally competitive
Unimportant things to note:
-Plz read your plan before you read solvency – I will be annoyed and lost if you don’t
-I really enjoy author indicts if/when they’re specific – it shows a team has worked hard and done their research
-I really enjoy case specific strategies – I enjoy it when a team can demonstrate that they've worked hard to prepare a case specific strategy
-I enjoy GOOD topicality debates
-I’ve been involved in policy debate in some capacity for 11 years now – Education is my 5th topic coaching.
-I put my heart and soul into policy debate for four years on high school. I worked tirelessly to put out specific strategies for specific affirmatives and I like to see debaters who I can tell have done the same and are having fun. So, show me you know your case better than anyone else if you're affirmative, or on the neg, show me specific links and answers to the affirmative... I tend to reward this in speaker points. ...That being said, generics are fun, fine, and essential for the negative team. Feel free to run them, you will not be penalized in any way.
Specific Arguments
I'm good for just about anything that is well debated: T, Theory, DAs, CPs, Ks... I can even be persuaded to vote solely on inherency if it is well debated - if the plan has literally already happened, for the love of god please punish the aff.
That being said, I enjoy seeing a strategy in argument selection, and appreciate when arguments don't blatantly contradict each other (i.e. the DA linking to the CP, or Cap Bad and an Econ Impact on politics). Especially in the 2NR.
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LD Paradigm
I am pretty tab when it comes to LD. My goal is to reach a decision that requires the least amount of judge intervention.
Signpost and slow down on tags. Slow down even more for theory args. Spreading through tags and theory interps is absolutely not the move if you want me to be flowing your speech. I will not be flowing from the doc.
Slow down. No, you don’t have to be slow and you should certainly feel free to read the body of your cards at whatever max speed you are comprehensible at. If you’ve used signposting, slowed down on tags and pre-written analytics, you’re golden. It's inexcusable and unforgivable to not have signposting in the 1ac.
I come into the round presuming:
-the aff should be defending the resolution
-the aff is defending the entirety of the resolution
-my ballot answers the resolutional question
-debate is a game
These presumptions can likely be changed.
Stylistically agnostic, but probably not your best judge for:
-dense phil that you’re spreading through
-undisclosed affs that don’t defend the entirety of the resolution
-process CPs that result in the aff
-more than 2 condo
-friv theory - I ❤️ substance
-Probably not interested in hearing condo if it’s just 2 condo positions
-theory interps that require me to ignore other speeches
I think that I have a low propensity to vote for most arguments regarding things that happen outside of the round or prior to the 1ac. I am not interested in adjudicating arguments that rely on screenshots of chats, wikis, or discord servers.
Questions, or interested in my thoughts on particular subjects not covered in my LD paradigm? Check out my POLICY PARADIGM above!
Public Forum Paradigm:
First speakers get to ask the first question in crossfire. If you ask about the status of this in round, expect to get one less speakerpoint than you would have otherwise.
File Share > e-mail chain.
Depth > Breadth. You only have four minutes to construct your position, would far prefer to hear 2 well-developed contentions rather than 3-4 blippy ones unless they are incredibly straight-forward. Much less interested in adjudicating “argument checkers” than most.
Former varsity debater, current mixed martial artist (kidcobramma on the gram) Email is traevonkroger@gmail.com to include me in the chain. No prep for flashing within reason. Tag team cx is acceptable. Aff should defend topic, neg should have links. Theory+Topicality has to dive deep into the standards - I usually on't buy the argument that the aff has a topic that you were unable to prepare for. If you close on it, you better close only on it. Conditionality is cool but ks shouldn't be and aren't conditional. Cps are cool and can be very strategix, but I won't vote for it if I'm not told how the perm functions. Ks are ccol and all, I've been removed from debate for 3+ years and schooling for 2 years, I'm not going to be all to familiar with the wordyness and the jargon - explain them to me in depth, please.
This is pretty much copied from Luke Cumbee's philosophy, my high school coach
Quick things
I love to learn new things
If you have any specific questions--feel free to ask
No prep for flashing
Include me in the e-mail chain/flash drive exchange
Tag team CX is acceptable, but it doesn't score you any points
In your last speech—go for arguments and never go for everything
Clash matters -- do not run away from your opponent's arguments
Student safety (mental and physical) comes first
Experience
Debated policy 4 years in high school. I have a fair amount of experience in both circuit and traditional circles.
Good Debate
Every time I update this it always seems to be me finding a new way to say this: "Do what you do best--and justify what you do." Generally speaking--this means making offensive arguments, supported by multiple warrants, effectively applied to the round--no matter your argument preference.
Theory (+Topicality)
Higher threashold for theory than many--it generally requires a legitimate claim. I’ve voted on it before but it has to be developed and it has to dive deep into the standards. I generally default to competing interpretations unless convinced otherwise. Have offense against their interpretation and use the standards to prove substance to your theoretical objection. If you go for theory in any sense of the word, tell me whether it’s a reason to reject the team or argument and provide offense for that.
Also: 10 second theory shells deserve 10 second responses. Even if they are conceded--I would still probably default to reject the arg. If you want me to make your theory argument enough weight to make me ignore everything else in the debate and vote for you, then give it the time it deserves.
On conditionality: 1 is fine--2 is probably fine--3 is debateable--4 will be a fun/unique debate but probably not fine
Disadvantages
Link story is usually the largest uphill battle, so you should probably have more than one link
Specific links are good links
Disad turns case is important
Risk of uniqueness is a thing
Link turns need uniqueness to be offense
Counterplans
Not sure what else to say--CP's are strategic and should be used often. Ones that are specific to the aff are especially fun.
Kritiks + Performance + Clash of Civs + The only section you'll probably read
Although everything is up for debate... I do have a strong belief in addressing the topic. Negative is required to address the affirmative... affirmative is required to address the topic.
I'm not sure why it's my place to tell you what you should and should not argue. I've had students who preferred to argue policy arguments and I have had students who preferred to argue performance (and everything in-between). As a coach, I could not imagine not having them on my team--nor could I imagine discouraging the passion they had in their arguments. I am a strong believer in this community; therefore, I am also a believer that we should not exlude entire types of arguments, nor any debater, nor any lifestyle, etc.
What that does not resolve, however, is how I evaluate these debates. A couple of thoughts on that... Good debate trumps my preferences. Justify what you do/why you win. Smart arguments are good arguments. Clash is always a priority. Offensive arguments--well warranted--applied to the debate's nexus question.
This was intentionally vague: if you have a specific question feel free to ask.
Framework
FYI: these are stressful to judge--I generally default to offense/defense and vote for the team that did the best debating. Any shift from this framework usually requires a team who is doing the best debating anyway.
The direction I am moving is in favor of education. The last thing I want to do is have a student feel like they can't present their best strategy in front of me--I want to see you at your best. That being said--I do enjoy issue oriented debates more than Framework debates. I also have a general thought that it can be tough to do Framework debates well. I will also say that if you want to go the Framework route, you really need to develop the arguments well (simply saying the word education is not convincing)