The McLangley Invitational
2023 — Online, VA/US
Public Forum Paradigm List
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Upper St. Clair '26 | 2 years of PF
I mostly compete on the local Pittsburgh circuit
PF is my main event, but I have competed in Parli, Congress, and Impromptu.
Run whatever you want but exercise good judgment.
PF:
Tech>Truth with an emphasis on strong warranting
I am okay with going a bit overtime in speeches as long as it is less than 10 seconds and not any new contentions/ rebuttals.
Speed is fine but I won’t be able to flow spreading. Send speech docs beforehand if you plan to spread.
Not the biggest fan of prog. I'll still evaluate theory if there's a major in-round violation (no friv). I'll also evaluate topical and nontopical K's, but you really have to convince me if you want me to vote for them.
Cross is binding,but it won't factor into my decision unless something from cross is brought up in speech.
Have fun and be chill!
I have a system for how I evaluate rounds. Here's how it goes:
weighing --> your case + frontlines --> rebuttals --> presume status quo if neither side wins on anything
Parli:
Logic>Evidence.I don't care about evidence in this event at all
Speak slowly and clearly
I evaluate based on who is fulfilling their burdens and weighing.
Definitions are important. Be sure to contest abusive definitions by the gov from the very beginning or you will make the round more difficult for yourself than it needs to be.
Unfortunately, I don't have any firsthand experience with policy or LD. I'd appreciate it if you could guide me and give me times for speeches and such. My general guidelines for PF apply to other debate events as well.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns, you can contact me at the following:
Email: manabarimani@gmail.com
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IM FLAY
my paradigm is will sjostrom's & eli glickman's but im REALLY BAD at evaluating anything prog
defense is not sticky
framing > metaweighing > weighing > cleanest arg > presumption (i presume best drip), but cleanest arg w/ contested weighing will probably always win
i follow rwang's framework for drip
I default to probability > everything else (and not really impact probability, more like strongest link)
SEND RHETORIC AND CARDS BEFORE CASE + REBUTTAL OR UR SPEAKS ARE CAPPED AT 27.5
anything -ist or -phobic gets u 0 speaks, sing the first 4 lines of freestyle by lil baby for 30 (song has to be playing in the background)
i love flex prep!!
any questions? ask in round or messenger (Aben Bhattachan)
im a parent/lay judge
if u present theory u will receive a big discount
not good with speed
make sure to time yourself
summary final focus important
if there are any other questions, ask me in round
Langley '26 | PF for two years
Add me to the email chain: chunconnor@gmail.com (he/him)
While I come from the incredibly and atrociously lay Virginia circuit, I have a decent amount of experience on the natcirc. I dislike much of the local debate. Why is cutting cards banned? Why are summary speeches still two minutes?? Is it really impossible to find any judge who at least has some idea of what debate is??? It should be pretty obvious which circuit I prefer...
Hard Prefs
Stolen from my friend Tobin- There are not enough people yelling clear or requiring their students be clear. Yes kids today don’t flow because they just look at the speech document- but guess why they do that? Because no one can understand what the other team is saying [...] even when I say “clear” people totally ignore it.
Here is what it means when a judge says “clear”: I cannot understand what you are saying, therefore I cannot count any of the arguments you are making. Without arguments you will probably lose.
What kids hear: “LOUDER” “1% slower please” “Can you enunciate for like 5 seconds and then go back to mumbling?”
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That being said, there are a few (pretty obvious) things that are absolutely set in stone, so you should definitely read this if you want a quick summary of my preferences. These are more lenient in novice/jv rounds (excluding respect)
1. Be respectful. Any bigotry or blatant rudeness will get you a quick L20.
2. Speed is fine- be coherent. I hold a high value in clarity because realistically if I can't understand you, I can't flow your arguments. Send a doc if you're going fast, but even then I prefer not to use it.
3. Obviously keep track of your own time. I will also be timing and stop flowing once the timer hits zero, give or take 3~ish seconds.
4. Evidence exchanges have a tendency to take way too long. If it takes you more than 30 seconds to grab a card your speaks will suffer. I'd prefer it if you sent cut cards before speeches or at the very least before constructive.
5. Theory is fine, but I shouldn't be trusted to evaluate K's very well.
Other Stuff
Top level I default util, but have ran lots of SV and Extinction framing. Reading carded frameworks in first summary is iffy and reading it in second summary is way too late unless you're responding to your opponents' framing. I prefer not to vote on pre-fiat "discourse" arguments- the idea that I should vote for you because you just read a framework doesn't make a ton of sense.
Make my job easy by explaining your clear path to the ballot. Collapse on your case, collapse on their case. Debate is quality > quantity so rather than going for five unweighed turns it makes way more sense to go for one with good weighing and a strong link chain.
Weigh. Lots of round come down to whoever is winning weighing. Do lots of it, but have good warranting and explanations if you want it to be a voter. Probability weighing is just another way of explaining why you are winning your link and is often just new defense in the summary speeches. If you go up in summary and say "we OW on probability because their argument about nuclear war is stopped by MAD," that's new defense I won't vote on.
If I look confused I probably am.
McLean '26 | Coach for Longfellow
Questions & Evidence >> ryan.jkg10@gmail.com
I believe that it is my responsibility as a judge to adapt to how you debate. After all, I can't even think of all my preferences to write down on this one page. Debate is a cool community and I sincerely hope that you continue participating in this activity. Debate gets really tense sometimes but, it can be fun (trust me). Please be respectful to both me and others.
My RFD’s are normally short so please feel free to ask questions afterwards.
PF
Flay, Tech > Truth
Win Offense, Win weighing, Win round
No response means conceded
I will vote for anything (not racist/sexist etc), and almost anything can and should be justified inside of the debate round, not by my default preferences. Err on the side of overexplaining the more your argument diverges from substance. I will not adjudicate based on evidence or "debate procedure" (lack of warrant/lack of extension) unless instructed to within the debate round, BUT I will not vote for an argument I cannot reexplain based on the 2AR/2NR. Take that as you will. Postrounding is good.
PF
safety>tech>truth
TLDR
I flow, i can evaluate tech, prog, k's, wtv. I've ran topical and non-topical k's, friv, etc. still though I pref substance
make it easy to evaluate---give me comparative weighing and collapse on good arguments not many arguments (not saying don't go for more than one arg or smth just quality over quantity)
bigotry is an L20
be fast I don't want to be sitting in the back for 2 minutes waiting for an ev exchange to happen
prefs
spreading send speech docs, if you're going to do the same gargling marbles pf spreading most kids do TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE GOING OFF THE DOC OR MARK IT IN THE DOC
no new args in back half, please collapse
explicate kicks---no judge kick and you have to tell me how conceding a piece of defense kicks smth
weighing prefs
as a general matter first thing I look for is a pre req with timeframe, you should do good analysis on these things as always. but i'll look to wtv weighing mech you tell me to look at first
probability is normally fake, if you have the same impact and have good comparatives go for it but i don't just buy "this argument is not probable so you shouldn't vote for it." that's just link defense. only time you could go for probability and make some sense would be if your arg is conceded and there is ink on theirs but my threshold for responding to weighing like that is low.
i deeply dislike intervening actors weighing the way most people do it in pf (eg timeframe first cus longer impacts have more intervening actors or sv first cus nobody looks to sv). it’s not something you can’t win off of, nor do i think it’s a fundamentally bad way to weigh. rather, the issue is how high schoolers do it by just saying “oh there’s intervening actors so their problem gets solved” with no explanation of the mechanics. it’s basically a form of defense that for some reason we have allowed to be argued without any explanation or warranting—do better
Prog
I can eval theory
don't read disclo or other theory on kids who don't know how to answer it that's just sad
threshold for good answers to theory is pretty low
for k's I can generally eval k's, i'm familiar with some lit but assume I'm not.
I mainly flow/watch and read decisions from NDT/CEDA K rounds, all that really means is that my standards for k is going to be pretty high and that a lot of the crap k debate that goes on in pf isn't something I want to judge. if you're going to read a k you should have a genuine good understanding of how to do it.
you should have good alts and have solvency cards unless you have a reason why it's uneeded and you read it in round
tell me how to eval the k vs k or policy or wtv, eg "weigh the impacts of the plan against the k"
DO THE LINE BY LINE THIS GOES FOR BOTH SIDES
when it comes to non-topical i'm good to evaluate them but when answering t-fw:
I enjoy creative counterinterps
you should do the work to answer whether procedural or structural issues come first
I enjoy creative T and I really hope you have a good idea what you're doing when going for T
update for k debates: I do not want to sit in the back listening to a two minute overview and blippy crossapps and implications, i will have a high threshold for contextual explanations.
other prefs
pre-fiat "discourse" is silly, you don't get the ballot just for bringing up a certain problem especially if you're losing the rest of the flow. why am I voting for the neg who read a fw when the aff proved they're policy is better than the neg for those groups?
i presume first
extend whatever you're going for, this rlly shouldn't have to be said...
feel free to postround
dml good paradigm
good reads: https://the3nr.com/2012/10/16/kids-today-2/#more-2747
"1 good card >X bad ones if X is ANY NUMBER EVER."
https://the3nr.com/2011/11/28/kids-today-part-deux/
https://the3nr.com/2012/10/08/common-mistakes/
"Pay attention for your partner. Make sure they don’t drop things, answer arguments in the speech doc that weren’t read etc"
if you remind your partner of something during their speech it's not a matter for how I eval your speaks, I think it's a normal that should be in PF more
some thoughts (will add on as time goes on):
reflexive fiat is interesting, go for it if you want and i’ll do my best to evaluate it
I will evaluate topical k’s even when there’s a perfcon. eg: reading sec k after reading a bunch of escalation scenarios. why? the role of the neg is essentially to test the policies of the aff. if there is an alt when i vote neg on the k i’m not endorsing the neg but rather, if they’re winning the k, i’m endorsing the alt which solves securitization or wins them enough offense under the fw and it at least proves that the aff is bad. impacts of the k do not become non unique as that would mean that every impact of the k is non unique no matter what (which is an argument you of course can make but a perfcon will not be evaluated as defense by me unless you do a lot of work). subject to change depending on rounds ofc but just be warned if you don’t have perfcon stuff prepped you will have to do more work.
MSPDP
Tech > truth
Anything goes. I don't care about truth value, the only thing that matters is how an argument is handled within the debate. Extend everything, if it is not in the third speech I will not vote off it, even if it could have won you the round.
Pace: Speed is fine, talk as fast as you want but I need to be able to understand it. Also if you decide to do what is basically an original oratory speech or some emotional speech instead of a debate speech, then I seriously don't care. I only care about your substance, it might help your speaker points, but it will not be able to win you the debate.
Order: order doesn't really matter, I'll assume offense defense weighing for the rebuttal and third speech, but I'll only flow like that if you don't read out an order at the start of your speech, otherwise just say how you are going to do the order and I'll flow that.
Strat: If something get's dropped by another team it is cold conceded, you can kick args, any type of prog strategies you want to use are fine. I'm more accustomed to tech debate debate so you will get more speaker points for jargon and such that speeds up the pace of the debate.
Frameworks: Only read a framework if it actually does something, if you just say I frame this debate around (the resolution almost word for word) or anything along those lines I will deduct speaker points. Your framework should be a way to pre-emptively weigh this debate for me, not just a way to isolate where the impacts of your arguments will be. If you are going to limit the debate to a specific place or thing, then you need to provide a reason why. Don't just say "we frame this debate around the United States," tell me why I should prefer the debate to be weighed around the united states and not globally.
Presumption: I will generally presume neg just based off aff burden, but if presume aff warrants are read I will evaluate those.
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please make email chain before round starts please preflow before round starts consider me flay don't speak too fast, cap it at 225 wpm or else you will be speaking gibberish Send Speech Docs for Case and Rebuttal regardless of how fast it is (will not flow if you don't and will dock speaks since it's just way easier to follow) WEIGH - be comparative, not incoherent Theory - not educational don't read it unless real, blatant violations occur (ie misgendering, miscutting every piece of evidence), but don't try disclosure on me Kritkis - idk K literature Trix/Other Random Stuff - uneducational dk how to evaluate TKO - L20s for you be nice in cross or else I will drop you don't do -isms