Hamilton PF RR
2021 — Online, AZ/US
Public Forum Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideSophomore at UC Berkeley
phone number: 408-913-3189
Cambrian Academy'22 - reached PF Gold TOC/round robin level, should be able to keep up w most pf rounds, and LD Policy(just send docs if you are going >250 wpm)
Feel free to ask me questions before round
Big Takeaway in all formats of debate: WARRANTS OVER EVIDENCE, I NEED WARRANTING TO VOTE
Public Forum Paradigm:
Novice/Flay Paradigm(if you consider yourself a non-technical debater, read below) <-- Lay Rounds
in second rebuttal respond to the responses made on your case, address first rebuttal in second rebuttal
the arguments in final focus must be in summary
READ WEIGHING, tell me why YOUR arguments are more important than your opponents, don't just restate your argument!
Varsity/Tech Paradigm(If you consider yourself a flow or technical debater, read below) <-- Tech Rounds
tech > truth
Read TWs, avoid gendered language, No misgendering.
TLDR: Weigh everything, metaweigh, lots of signposting
everything in 1st rebuttal/summary is conceded if not responded too in 2nd rebuttal/summary - nothing is sticky, i want everything in final to be in summary - if you dont frontline properly in second rebuttal i will be very very unhappy
Second rebuttal has to respond to first rebuttal
Rebuttal has to be responsive to case, no new contentions, if ur reading generic DAs weigh them
Note: if you claim things are sticky/conceded but they are responded too - i wont be happy
You'll get good speaks(30s ish), just don't prep steal
Postrounding is cool
Full extensions required(every warrant, link) has to be extended
Send speech docs, I can probably flow around 275 wpm but send docs
TKOs are cool, Hidden links are fine, DAs/OV's cool, no framing past summary, I presume loser of the coin flip / first
Impact turns are fine
Weigh every turn/response - I like comparative analysis
I buy link level probability weighing(with warrants that aren't just asking for intervention i.e. historical precedent, actor analysis) ~ i'd be careful here though DONT READ CLARITY WEIGHING, also i love pre-reqs/link-ins w weighing
Metaweigh!! if you dont - Strength of Link > Magnitude > Timeframe > Link Level Probability ig
Prog:
Go for it - Trix are cool, Im not too familiar with a lot of high theory K literature but go for it, im pretty comfortable with theory - read it whenever, read phil if you want
I think disclosure and paraphrasing are probably good, but i can be persuaded either way
You can win turns/offensive CI's without winning RVIs, i think RVI debates are dumb
I default to competing interps, no rvi's, drop the argument
I am a lay parent judge. I value the following:
- depth in understanding of the core issue;
- relevancy of evidences and sources;
- overall delivery/presentation, including your manners to your opponents;
Other notes:
- Please don’t spread;
- Keep track of your own time and your opponent’s time.
I am a parent judge. I have judged for the past two years. I prefer clear and well articulated argumentation.
I don't like fast speed because I take notes on the debate. To win my ballot, you need to give me a clear reason for why I should prefer your argument over the opponents'.
Lastly, I keep track of which responses were responded to and which were not, if you want something to be a factor in my decision it must be in summary and final focus.
Debate is supposed to be a fun activity, so let it be for everyone.
Enjoy!
Hey! I'm Pranav. I debated PF for four years in high school and now I'm a sophomore in college.
email: pranav.mantri@columbia.edu
You can run whatever non-exclusionary arguments that you want. An ideal winning team writes the path to the ballot for me. I'm lazy. I never really hit/ran progressive arguments but if you explain what you are running it should be fine.
Don't go fast. If you really want to, send a speech doc but I'm not gonna spend any time reading it cuz then I'm doing work for you. I'm lazy.
Would appreciate fun cross fires. Back when I was a debater (less than a year ago) I always tried to make jokes or have fun because its one of the chill parts of debate. Dead air is bad. Say something.
Do what u want in first rebuttal but don't "rebuild [y]our case."
Frontline in second rebuttal or responses are conceded.
Defense is sticky and extension in final focus is unnecessary, but if you want to seal the deal I suggest at least reminding me that the dropped response is there.
Offense is not sticky lol. Ideal extensions are short summaries of the arguments you are going for (uniqueness-> warrant-> impact).
Impact numbers are unnecessary, but impacts are necessary. "No impact" defense isn't terminal on impacts that exist but are unquantified. Quantifying is overrated ballparks is where its at. Vagueness can be fun and unfun at the same time. Either way, if there is no weighing and I'm left with one quantified impact and one unquantified impact I will prolly j vote on the "more convincing argument." But don't let it get to this stage.
Rebuttal weighing=good speaks for team.
Winning weighing/framing ≠ winning round. Weighing is a whey for me to way-in your offense. If no offense, weighing don't matter. Probability analysis isn't weighing. If you tell me what it really is i'll give you +0.2 speaks.
Good debate ability = good speaks. Speaking style doesn't necessarily matter. I weigh smarts over delivery, but delivery matters too (i.e. stuttering w big brain debating would yield higher speaks than a soothing voice that is saying empty words).
Ways to get good speaks:
a. Say something funny/ make jokes in speech
b. Give me any food/drink
c. Not being a speechdoc debater cuz flows are cool.
d. Good Eminem reference (+0.5-1 speaks).
L Friv Theory
Nota Bene: As I said in my paradigm above, I have little to no experience with progressive argumentation, but I am willing to hear it. In fact, I'm excited to judge it because I think that that is the best way to vote. Avoid jargon and you should be fine.
This isn't to deter anyone from reading prog arguments. If you do so and you succeed and you educate me well, I'll give you 30 speaks.
If you are reading anything off topic definitely send it to my email.
Speed: 300 wpm MAX and then I lose you. Send a speechdoc to pranav.mantri@columbia.edu if you really are gonna go mega fast (300 wpm<=), but even so I evaluate off my flow and if I forget to write something down from the speechdoc that's your fault not mine.
2 clears then no flowing
Ask Questions before round.
Contacts:
Messenger: Aaryan Mukherjee
Email: aaryanm@umich.edu (prefer google docs for card sharing)
I've competed in PF debate for 4 years at Hamilton High. I know stuff, pinky promise. Contact me if you have any questions.
Key points:
1. Progressive stuff is fine, I'm just not too familiar with it. Please only run if there is legitimate abuse, otherwise, I will be hesitant to vote on it and don't run theory to take advantage of inexperienced teams.
2. Frontline in the second rebuttal. Not necessary but it'll make your case less messy and make me very happy.
3. Defense is sticky unless it's frontlined. This means first summary doesn't need to extend defense unless second rebuttal addresses it.
4. Please weigh, otherwise, I default to the strength of link.
5. Run whatever related to the topic.
6. I'm cool with speed but I expect a speech doc if you're gonna go fast.
7. Best signpost if you want me to flow :)
8. The only reason I'll call for evidence is if y'all tell me to call for it OR if something is super contested without clear resolution (but in general just tell me to call for evidence if you want me look at it).
Speaker point stuff (+ .5 points for every time you do one of the things below)
1. Naruto or NAV references in any speech, they gotta be good though.
2. Physically jump up and turn whenever you read a turn.
3. Stutter a lot.
4. Disclose (tell me if you disclose) :)
5. Skip Grandcross! We can replace it with a minute of shared prep.
Overall just have a good time!
I debated novice PF.
I have bad memory and write slow. If you talk fast, I will most likely not write down your argument which means you lost.
i debated at hamilton high and toc qualled senior year
please weigh
while i'm all for dumping responses, i would prefer if y'all actually warrant and implicate your responses
2nd rebuttal doesn't have to frontline defense, but it does have to frontline turns/DA's
if 2nd rebuttal doesn't frontline defense, then 1st summary doesn't have to explicitly extend it
i generally give high speaks unless someone was being rude, sexist, racist, homophobic, etc.
im open to progressive argumentation, but im fairly new to it so explain it thoroughly
speed doesn't really matter as long as you're clear, but if you're going to spread send a speech doc
if you have any questions feel free to ask before the round
email - pinakpanda@gmail.com
I did PF for four years on the national circuit.
- Tech > Truth, but my threshold for responses to crazy arguments is inherently lower
- You don't need defense in first summary unless second rebuttal frontlines
- I don't really fw progressive arguments (Theory, K, etc.)
- Earlier the weighing the better
For all email chains, pejavar@usc.edu
This is my first year judging PF. This means that you must do your job to adapt to me as a judge, but at the same time I will do my best to follow what you say and take notes.
Please speak slowly, and explain everything that you are saying very clearly. Do not skip any steps in your logical chains – things that are intuitive to you might not seem that way to me. If you see me lift up my pen or not write anything for a while, it means you are going too fast for me. Slow down and speak at an understandable pace.
I will do my best to judge the round fairly as long as you do your best to convince me why you should win. Please speak in a conversational tone – don’t yell – and be as persuasive as you can.
I usually do not like listening to arguments that do not make logical or practical sense.
Good luck and have fun.
This is my first year judging PF. This means that you must do your job to adapt to me as a judge, but at the same time I will do my best to follow what you say and take notes.
Please speak slowly, and explain everything that you are saying very clearly. Do not skip any steps in your logical chains – things that are intuitive to you might not seem that way to me. If you see me lift up my pen or not write anything for a while, it means you are going too fast for me. Slow down and speak at an understandable pace.
I will do my best to judge the round fairly as long as you do your best to convince me why you should win. Please speak in a conversational tone – don’t yell – and be as persuasive as you can.
I usually do not like listening to arguments that intrude on human rights.
Good luck and have fun.
I did PF for four years, graduating in 2021. I qualified to Gold TOC and Nationals and finaled Blake and Harvard my senior year, so I can keep up with most rounds.
Tech > Truth
I'll vote for anything, but there is an inherent burden of proof that needs to be met for me to consider an argument. I won't assume something functions as offense/defense solely because you tell me it does.
I'm not super strict on evidence ethics. I think it's very easy to respond to evidence the way you respond to any other argument, and I encourage you to do so. Paraphrasing is totally fine. It's more realistic, and you have to actually understand the content. I've seen way more evidence ethics issues with cut cards than paraphrased evidence. That said, please still have all your cards cut so evidence sharing runs smoothly. If you take too long, I'll dock speaks. I'll only call for evidence if it's disputed, and I actually need to read it to make a decision.
I have a surface-level understanding of progressive arguments (Theory, K, etc.). I understand the basics, but if you read them, there needs to be a lot of warranting. I will not vote for your argument if your warranting is just a bunch of jargon smushed together. Generally, I think paraphrasing is fine and disclosure is good, but I can be convinced either way.
If you're going to read an actual warranted framework, it needs to be read by first rebuttal at the latest. "Offensive overviews" in second rebuttal are dumb, and my threshold for a good response is much lower.
evidence < warrant < evidence + warrant
Cross doesn't matter (I'll still listen), but concessions are binding. Also, please be nice, it's really not that hard.
Frontline in second rebuttal. Conceded defense doesn't need to be extended in first summary (but definitely in FF)
Earlier the weighing the better. I'll allow new weighing in first final if there's no other weighing in the round, but nothing expanding on existing weighing (no new evidence, prereq analysis, etc.)
If you're going to do weighing, please do more than just pointing out that your impact number is larger. Obviously, I'll still evaluate it, but I want actual comparisons between arguments. Weighing impacts on probability makes no sense, please stop doing it. Strength of link means nothing to me if I don't have some kind of metric for comparing the strength of different links and a reason for why I should care about a link's relative strength.
I prefer slower tech rounds. Speed is still totally fine, just remember that the faster you go, the more likely it is that I miss something, and I'm not flowing off a speech doc. If you go fast in the first half, please at least slow down a little in the back half, especially in final focus.
If you don't signpost in summary and final focus, I will have no idea what is going on in the round, especially if you're going super fast and ignoring the line-by-line
I don't flow card names. If you say a card name, you need to tell me what the card says (including when you're extending stuff in sum/ff).
Please time each other. No grace period, finish what you were saying if you started before time was up, anything else won't be flowed
Extend the full link chain + warrants + evidence for whatever argument you're collapsing on in both summary and final focus. I will not evaluate something if it's not in both speeches or you just skip over your entire link story. Please don't make me drop you because you didn't extend something.
Pleeeeeease collapse.
Nothing new in summary or final focus unless it's responding to something new the other team read in their previous speech, except for weighing.
I default first speaking team.
I start at 28 speaks, and I'll go up or down based on how well I can understand you and how well you debate. Debating well with poor clarity warrants higher speaks than speaking clearly but debating poorly. I will probably give somebody a 30. I won't go lower than 27 unless you say something bigoted or are just straight up being mean.
Post rounding is fine. If you really think you won, odds are I missed something because you went too fast, and it was super blippy.
You don't have to call me judge, Arjun is fine and kinda preferred
For email chains, use arjunrsingh333@gmail.com
If you have any other questions, you can ask me before the round. I am willing to change any part of my paradigm if both teams agree (speech times are non-negotiable).
TL;DR
Extend through summary/final focus and weigh to win
Here is my paradigm:
Try not to spread during round
I will not be flowing crossfire, so if you bring up an important point during cross, make sure you bring it up in a speech.
Extend throughout the round.
Signpost throughout the round i.e. always say where you are in the speech at all times.
Most importantly, don't be mean to others and have fun!
hi i'm medha! i did natcirc pf for four years in high school & i'm now a college soph
in general: i get that you can use your computers and you can recite your whole speech from a doc but if i wanted to hear the word-for-word prewritten prep you (and whatever coach(es) you may have) typed up before the tournament i would just read the doc myself and eliminate the middleman (you). please for the sake of my sanity don't doc bot, and if you do, at least pretend you're not
tldr be chill, say something interesting, debate well, and tell me to call for sus evidence in ff. look at the tldr of pranav mantri's paradigm – i'm on the same vibe as him
the basics
- frontline offense & weighing in 2nd rebuttal, ideally frontline everything but i won't hate you if you don't
- defense is sticky
- paraphrasing is cool and honestly i would prefer it (only half-joking)
- i have a relatively solid understanding of progressive args, but i will say there is a very real chance i could make the wrong decision when evaluating one, so do some risk appetite self-eval before round
- i don't wanna be on the email chain & i also would rather not flow off a speech doc
- fully extend args in both summary and ff
- i can handle a considerable amount of speed (<300 wpm), just be clear
- i would consider myself tech > truth. i am willing to vote on arguments that i might personally believe to be factually untrue if they go completely uncontested; ie if your arg is that elmo is the head of mossad* and nobody argues otherwise, i'll buy it. on the flip side my threshold for responses to terrible args is obv low
specifically on evidence
I CANNOT OVERSTATE HOW LITTLE I CARE ABOUT EVIDENCE THAT NOBODY TELLS ME TO CALL FOR IN FF.
maybe this is a hot take but i quite literally have zero interest in unilaterally verifying whether your evidence is real or not. i firmly don't think it's my job as a judge to sleuth through your ev and see what's legit. even if you tell me you have evidence saying the world is unified under a secret governmental organization run fully by cows*, I WILL BUY IT IF NOBODY TELLS ME TO CALL FOR IT. this does not mean i condone bad evidence ethics. if you have a problem with your opps' evidence, PLEASE tell me to call for it and i will tank speaks and potentially the team if it's super bad. if yall spend the entirety of your speeches debating a single controversial piece of evidence but nobody tells me to call it in ff, i will drop it from my flow (in pain) and find somewhere else to vote. i do this bc 1) i am convinced it's your opps' job to police your ev ethics, not mine & 2) i think it's interventionist to let my unsolicited interpretation of your ev affect the round outcome
scenarios in which i will give auto-30 speaks (assuming you were not a jerk)
- if it’s your bubble (just lmk before the round) and you generally followed my paradigm
- if you read > 10 independent well-warranted, impacted, and weighed turns in first rebuttal
- if you're super funny
- if you bring me food or hot chocolate :)
in general i will be extremely generous w speaks as long as you're not rude bc imo speaker points can only be assigned in one of two ways: 1) to measure "how good you sound" which is variable to several factors you may not be able to control, or 2) to measure clarity/skill which is largely adjudicated by the actual decision anyway. therefore i have decided i don't care and almost everybody will be getting above 29s unless you do something egregious in round like addressing me by "judge" instead of just my name (kidding but like not really pls just call me medha)
overall
relax and have fun i just wanna judge a good round and not see anything racist/sexist/any other exclusionary -ist, so make those two things happen and you can show up in your pajamas or swear or eat mcdonalds in round or roast each other or whatever & i won't care
if you need any accommodations or have any questions, please let me know either irl before round or at my email: medha.tambe@columbia.edu
good luck & lmk if there's anything i can do to make the round less stressful/more accessible for you! also if both teams are down i am willing to scrap the debate and oversee a 2v2 chess match instead (again only half-joking)
* note: i may or may not actually believe elmo is the head of mossad and that cows run the world – if you make a convincing arg to me before/after round in favor of either or both i might possibly be inclined to give you 30 speaks
* note 2: i am unironically a really good lay judge in the sense that i am great at zoning out (if you ask me to, not in general obv lol) and then making a decision based off vibe. i have about a 97% accuracy rate in guessing decisions made by lay judges in rounds, so if you want me to judge lay or you have a lay panel and you'd rather not adapt lmk and i'll scrap the paradigm & judge lay
Hello, my name is Ninad Tambe.
Few things to keep in mind:
- I have basic topic knowledge but I would appreciate really clear arguments so that I know at the end of the round without a doubt who I should vote for.
- I can't understand speed, so if anybody goes too fast for me, I reserve the right to shout "CLEAR" or stop taking notes. If you see my pen go up or you see me stop writing, that should be a cue that you're going too fast for me and you've lost me.
- Please don't be rude or overly aggressive, especially in cross - I want to see reasonable and calm crossfires, not the two speakers shouting at each other.
- I appreciate humor, and if you can make me laugh (NOT at the expense of your opponents) I'll award extra speaks.
- If you cannot prove to me why the impact of your case is more important than the opponents', I will have to decide myself.
Good luck to everyone!