MSDL Novice Spring Scrimmage
2021 — NSDA Campus, MA/US
PF Judges Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideHi! I competed for four years in PF at Newton South and am a first year out.
Short version
I’ll vote on the flow but slower debates are appreciated.
Warrants are crucial.
Please do comparative weighing.
Second rebuttal must frontline all defense/turns on any arguments that will be extended.
I’d prefer not to judge prog.
Tech > truth, but in the words of Nilesh Chander, “the best teams win on both fronts”.
Long version
How I judge:
- I will only evaluate what is extended in the second half. This means that if you want me to vote on an argument, you should extend both warrants and impacts. Missing warrants to me means that your argument isn’t true. Also new implications/responses late in round won’t be evaluated.
- Please, please frontline all defense on what you’re going for in second rebuttal. Also please collapse and don't extend your entire case.
- Doing comparative weighing will help me differentiate between arguments and also increase the chance that you’re happy with my decision.
- I won’t kick an argument for being too tech but I’ll accept weaker responses the more unrealistic it is.
- I default to and would prefer to use a util framework.
Speed:
- I can handle most speeds, but would prefer rounds to be slower overall as I’ll be less likely to miss things. When in doubt, send a speech doc.
Evidence:
- Paraphrasing is fine but direct quotes are better.
- I’ll only read cards at the end of the round if teams request it.
- If you can't find a card that's called, I'll treat it as an analytic.
- I will boost your speaks for disclosing on the PF NDCA wiki but there is absolutely no penalty for not disclosing.
Other stuff you might want to know:
- I don't flow cross, so if you get an important concession that you want me to evaluate you should bring it up in a later speech.
- I do time speeches. If you go overtime, I won't stop you but I will also stop flowing.
- I generally give high speaks, and I will also disclose if the tournament allows and both teams are okay with it.
- I don’t think I will ever presume, but if I did I would presume for the team that lost the coin flip.
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Prog:
I think progressive arguments make the activity more confusing and am generally opposed to them.
On theory specifically: I dealt with a lot of theory when I was competing. I really don’t want to deal with theory as a judge unless there’s an actual violation that occurs in the round like a piece of evidence being seriously misconstrued, and even then I would prefer an IVI instead of a shell that kicks the substance completely. I’ll raise your speaks if you disclose but I don’t want to hear disclosure theory.
I feel uncomfortable in my ability to evaluate Ks and would highly prefer it if they are not read. Tricks etc are also too much for me.
I will not evaluate any kind of progressive argumentation in a novice round.
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If you’re confused about anything or have additional questions, please ask me before the round!
Hi Im Laura and I'm a third year public forum debater at Newton South High School.
You can talk fast but don't spread or else I won't flow what you say and don't start off a speech really quickly. Don't say anything racist, sexist, transphobic, etc. If you have to provide a trigger warning then maybe try to not run it or at least have a backup case. If you go too long over time for speeches I'm either going to not flow what you say or just not listen. Cross: I pay attention to crosses but don't flow them. Be nice. If something important is brought up say it again in a speech or else I won't remember it. Rebuttal: A logic rebuttal or logic responses are totally fine. If your frontlines are going to be "this doesn't make sense, they don't warrant this, no card or evidence" most times I'm not going to flow it because if it really doesn't make sense I won't count it in general. I like overviews and I think they are very helpful in the round. Don't just read blocks from your block file, and try to implicate every block. Don't card dump. Summary: Please collapse on one argument although I'm a flow judge, still create a narrative and story for your side. If you say something in final focus that was unextended during summary, I will not flow it. The same goes for new responses after first summary. Final focus: You can bring up a new weighing mechanism but again, no new responses. Off-time road maps are fine, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't signpost. I might look at some cards at the end of the round if there is a debate about specific evidence or how important it is. For me probability and urgency weighing are the most important. You don't need to weigh off of scope, it just takes away from your time, and I know when a number is bigger than another. At the end of the day, I would like for it to be pretty easy for me to vote for someone and not do much work so please weigh, and if possible try to meta weigh. Also just because one team is second speaking, doesn't mean they have the last words. I disclose unless I'm told otherwise. You can be sarcastic, or make funny jokes, it makes the debate more fun for everyone. If you make a joke thats actually going to make me laugh ill add 0.5 to your speaker points, otherwise, its highly unlikely anyone will get below a 28.
EMAIL: jcohen1964@gmail.com
I judge Public Forum Debate 95% of the time. I occasionally judge LD and even more occasionally, Policy.
A few items to share with you:
(1) I can flow *somewhat* faster than conversational speed. As you speed up, my comprehension declines.
(2) I may not be familiar with the topic's arguments. Shorthand references could leave me in the dust. For example, "On the economy, I have three responses..." could confuse me. It's better to say, "Where my opponents argue that right to work kills incomes and sinks the economy, I have three responses...". I realize it's not as efficient, but it will help keep me on the same page you are on.
(3) I miss most evidence tags. So, "Pull through Smith in 17..." probably won't mean much to me. Reminding me of what the evidence demonstrated works better (e.g. "Pull through the Smith study showing that unions hurt productivity").
(4) In the interest of keeping the round moving along, please be selective about asking for your opponent's evidence. If you ask for lots of evidence and then I hear little about it in subsequent speeches, it's a not a great use of time. If you believe your opponent has misconstrued many pieces of evidence, focus on the evidence that is most crucial to their case (you win by undermining their overall position, not by showing they made lots of mistakes).
(5) I put a premium on credible links. Big impacts don't make up for links that are not credible.
(6) I am skeptical of "rules" you might impose on your opponent (in contrast to rules imposed by the tournament in writing) - e.g., paraphrasing is never allowed and is grounds for losing the round. On the other hand, it's fine and even desirable to point out that your opponent has not presented enough of a specific piece of evidence for its fair evaluation, and then to explain why that loss of credibility undermines your opponent's position. That sort of point may be particularly relevant if the evidence is technical in nature (e.g., your opponent paraphrases the findings of a statistical study and those findings may be more nuanced than their paraphrasing suggests).
(7) I am skeptical of arguments suggesting that debate is an invalid activity, or the like, and hence that one side or the other should automatically win. If you have an argument that links into your opponent's specific position, please articulate that point. I hope to hear about the resolution we have been invited to debate.
My tip to winning my ballot: WEIGH WEIGH PLEASE GOD WEIGH
also collapse and extend please, write my ballot in final focus
I am in my second year competing in college APDA :)
theovdatta@gmail.com
I did some PF
Here is my full paradigm if you care to read it, otherwise just ask me questions before round
postrounding is good, do it if you feel the vibe is right
update on theory: I default reasonability and won't change that stance. I will not evaluate CIs>reasonability, so if you read theory, don't read it this part of meta-theory, and be prepared for some subjectivity in evaluation. 99% of the time, debates will still come down to who is winning the warrants/weighing, I just want the room to maneuver in RFD. Additionally, No RVIs doesn't mean you can drop offense on your opponent's CIs, so don't try to implicate it that way - I will not buy this implication.
update on communication: I won't STOP you from speaking to your partner while they are giving a speech, but please don't do it. I will dock speaks, and I have never seen it been done well enough to justify both the perceptual loss and the interruption in thought process. Just do what I did when my partner missed an argument – write it big on paper, and hold it up for them to see.
update on speed: I did a lot of debate and I can flow very well. With that being said, I will not flow off of the doc (I think its a bad norm). Take this advice as you will.
email me for questions/add me to the chain: tara.gill.527@gmail.com
tl;dr:
Me: "Do you know why I'm such a laid-back judge?"
Y'all: "Why?"
Me: "I go with the flow"
(creds to @Debate Memes on Facebook haha)
- yes I will vote off the flow
- honestly just debate well enough to make me care enough about the round (which means focus on the bolded text below)
- warrant, extend your full link story and impact, and weigh and you're doing really well
- I don't think most debaters truly spend time explaining warrants or weighing
- things you want me to vote on have to be in every speech after first rebuttal
- I want the round to be chill and educational and fun so please make that happen
quick disclaimers
i'm now old and grumpy and care a bit less about debate than i used to so please don't assume i have extensive topic knowledge
novices:
it's so cool that you're trying out this activity even though it's probably kind of scary. If you don't understand some of my preferences in the long version, the tl;dr should be fine. Just know that you're probably doing great and that you got this :)
feel free to ask me any questions before/after the round.
Longer Version:
hi! I did 2 years of Public Forum at Lexington but I started out my debate career in policy which influences how I judge!
- i'm more tech than the average tech judge so please clash to avoid judge intervention, or at the very least weigh a lot on both link and impact levels :)
- in later speeches, please give quick narrative style overviews at the top of your own case then frontline/line by line (i still don't know what frontline means but just don't drop stuff) if u want me to vote on your contentions otherwise dropped defense will mitigate your impacts. this also means u should frontline in second rebuttal and extend defense in first summary.
- i will vote off most arguments including theory/k if they are debated well (my threshold for these being run well is pretty high lmao so try at your risk) and not used just to be exclusionary (check the bottom of my paradigm)
- do a lot of weighing/impact calc and logical analysis (not just for me, it is also strategic if you're lost/confused and I would know first hand oops)
- once again please weigh weigh weigh. really make the force of gravity a lot here (i'm sorry i'm a physics nerd)
- start collapsing by first summary because depth>breadth in terms of giving quality arguments in short PF speech times
- crossfire shouldn't be three minutes of extra debating please ask and answer questions in a non-aggressive and CIVIL manner or I will be frustrated, get a headache and probably dock speaks.
- if you want to take off a jacket or shoes in round feel free to do so because i almost never debated with shoes. this will not affect speaks or the result :)
- feel free to ask me questions about my decision if you're confused, I will not dock speaks and I feel like it usually helps you learn how you can improve in the future
- i am fine w speed if you do all of the following: prioritize clarity, make sure your opponents are ok too, slow down on tags, authors, and analytics, signpost clearly, offer speech docs if necessary
- lastly, debate is a game: this means that you should not be exclusionary, follow the rules or warrant why you shouldn't, and let me know if there is anything I can personally do to make the debate more accessible to you, and HAVE FUN!!!!!
Extra:
- fist-bump instead of shaking hands haha
- I'll default to a slightly above a 28 if it's by 0.1 and 28.5 if it's by 0.5
- i am also happy to talk after round, show you my flows, and answer questions about either debate or life :)
LD (MSDL States 2024):
i am fairly confident in my ability to flow a debate and understand arguments that are clearly explained to me, however, I also understand there are certain thing specific to LD that I am not familiar with.
- focus on weighing your arguments against your components, basic frameworks (util, structural violence) I am familiar with and are good for providing that comparison
- not sure about other "value criterion" that's a term i've heard but i don't know what that means so just explain to me clearly
- not super used to nat circuit LD speed anymore, but a little speed is fine
- rest of the paradigm applies
I did PF for 3 years at Newton South and am currently a freshman in college.
General:
I will be flowing the round, but I prefer a flay debate over a super tech debate. If you're spreading, I probably won't be able to understand you. I will vote on any argument as long as it is warranted and has evidence extended throughout the round.
Please don't be rude to your opponents, I will tank speaks and it'll be more difficult to win my ballot.
Progressive:
I don't have much experience with progressive arguments, so run at your own risk.I think paraphrasing and non-disclosure are fine, just don't misconstrue evidence.
Frontlining:
Frontlines should be made for any offense you want to go for later in the round. Otherwise, I will consider the argument dropped.