GFCA First and Second Year State Championships
2017 — Warner Robins, GA/US
Public Forum Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideHistory: I debated four years in Public Forum (with some LD debates thrown in there) for Houston County High School and now attend Oglethorpe University in Atlanta, GA. I have judging experience in both categories.
I like to see direct clash (they say this, we say that), analysis with warrants (prefer our argument, because…), impact/implications (what the world looks like if we don’t do x), warrants for why your impact(s) hold(s) greater significance/is more likely/is the reason I should vote.
Make it clear to me.
Ultimately, debate is an educational activity and a ton of fun! Please try to have a good time in a respectful, inclusive and meaningful way.
I will vote on topicality. These debates should be a clash between two competing interpretations and impacted. You need to tell me why I should prefer one interpretation over the other. Do not just list it as a voter and move on, because that won't convince me that it is important enough to evaluate. Critical Arguments—I really enjoy these debates, and truthfully it is where I focused my attention as a competitor. However, please do not operate under the assumption that I am familiar with your authors or your interpretations. Please be clear in identifying your links and implications. Specificity is key and tell me a story! Always a good choice to slow down! Also a great choice, cut the jargon.
If your strategy when confronted with a critical argument is to rest solely on your Framework laurels, you will have a lot of difficulty winning in front of me. I like to see arguments engaged directly— more on Framework….
So far, observing framework arguments, I am not a fan. I am not of the opinion that debate is the wrong forum and that arguments should, on face, be excluded. A more sophisticated argument, and one that I am definitely willing to vote for, is one that identifies how the argument operates as a disad to the critical case, provides impact comparison, and warranted analysis how they cant capture/access x advantage.
Email: jameshbrock@gmail.com
Handshaking: Even before current viral concerns, I wasn't a fan of hand shaking. If you feel the need for post round physical contact, I will either accept a light fist bump or a full hug of no less than 5 seconds in duration. Alternatively, you can just wait for my decision.
Overview: I am the debate coach at Houston County High School a suburban (closer to rural than urban) school 2 hours south of Atlanta. We don't travel outside of the state much. I am a big advocate of policy debate, but, the vast majority of tournaments we attend no longer offer the event. So, we have switched to PF/LD debate.
I flow. If I am not flowing, there is a problem.
Speed okay. If I am not flowing, there is a problem. The most likely reason I would not be flowing is, that the sound coming out of your mouth is not words. If this happens, I will most likely close my laptop or put down my pen until I can recognize the sounds you are making.
Disclosure Theory: I am a small school coach. My teams are not required to post their cases online. I don't like it when teams lose debates to rules those teams didn't know were "rules". If disclosure is mandated by the tournament's invitation, I will listen. I also, will not attend that tournament. So, just don't run it. Inclusion o/w your fairness arguments.
PF: I judge on an offence/defense paradigm. Logic is good, evidence is better. I'm the guy who will vote on first strike good or dedev. Tech over truth, but I will not give a low point win in PF, and try to stay true to the speaking roots of PF. F/W is the most important part of the debate for me. It is a gateway issue that provides the lens through which to view my decision. I have done a moderate amount of research, but I probably haven't read that article. I may be doing it wrong, but I like logic when judging a PF round. I don't think you have time to develop DAs or Ks, but have no other objection to their existence. Jeff Miller says to answer these questions if judging PF... - do you expect everything in the final focus to also be in the summary? Yes. At least tangentially. The first final focus of the round needs to be able to predict the direction of the the final speech. If it's not in the Summary it gives an unfair advantage to the second speaker. - Do second speaking teams have to respond to the first rebuttal? No, but its a good idea. It makes for a better debate and I will award speaker points will be awarded for doing this. - Do first speaking teams have to extend defense in the first summary? If you want to extend defense in the final focus. - Do you flow/judge off crossfire? Cross is binding, but it needs to be made in the speech to count on the ballot. That being said, at this tournament, damaging crossfire questions have provided major links and changed the momentum of debates. - Do teams have to have more than one contention? No. - does framework have to be read in the constructives? Responsive F/w is allowed but not advisable in rebuttal only.
LD: For me, this is policy light. I understand it, but I try not to be influenced by a lack of policy jargon in the round. IE I will accept an argument that says "The actor could enact both the affirmative action and the negative action." as a permutation without the word perm being used in the round. I tend to view values and value criterion as a framework debate that influences the mechanisms for weighing impacts. I am a little lenient on 1ar line by line debate, but coverage should be sufficient to allow the nr to do their job. I will protect the nr from new 2ar argument to a fault. I will not vote on morally repugnant arguments like "extinction good" or "rocks are more important than people".
tl;dr: Spend a lot of time on F/W. Impact your arguments.
Policy Debate: (Having this in here is a little ridiculous. Its kinda like, "back in my day we had inherency debates. No one talks about inherent barriers anymore...)
Procedural:
I am human, and I have made mistakes judging rounds. But, I reserve the right to dock speaker points for arguing after the round.
I have few problems with speed. If you are unclear, I will say clear or loud once and then put my pen down or close my laptop. I love 1NC's and 2ACs that number their arguments.
I want the debaters to make my decision as easy as possible. My RFD should be very very similar to the first 3 sentences of the 2AR or 2NR.
After a harm is established, I presume it is better to do something rather than nothing. So in a round devoid of offence, I vote affirmative
The K:
As a debater and a younger coach, I did not understand nor enjoy the kritik. As the neg we may have run it as the 7th off case argument, and as the aff we responded to the argument with framework and theory. As I've grown as a coach I've started to understand the educational benefits of high school students reading advanced philosophy. That being said, In order to vote negative on the kritik, I need a very, very clear link, and reason to reject the aff. I dislike one-off-K, and standard Ks masked with a new name. I do, however, enjoy listening to critical affirmatives related to the topic. I am often persuaded by PIK's, and vague alts bad theory.
Don't assume that I have read the literature. I have not.
Non-traditional debate: We are a small and very diverse squad, and I (to some extent) understand that struggle. I have coached a fem rage team, and loved it.
Theory:
I have no particular aversion to theoretical objections. As an observation, I do not vote on them often. I need a clear reason to reject the other team. I will occasionally vote neg on Topicality, but you have to commit. I think cheaty CPs are bad for debate, and enjoy voting on ridiculous CP is ridiculous theory. I still need some good I/L to Education to reject the team.
Parliamentary debate:
I enjoy this format. I will adopt a policy maker F/W unless otherwise instructed.
Background:
My background is in public forum. I competed all throughout high school on the national circuit and local circuit in Georgia. Currently, I am the President of the New Haven Urban Debate League and coach parliamentary debate at Yale.
PF Paradigm:
WEIGHING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU WILL EVER DO IN DEBATE! IT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN KNOWING YOUR OWN NAME!! PLS WEIGH.
If you don’t weigh, I’ll have to resort to my own weighing mechanism, which may be different every round depending on my mood. You don’t want that, so pls for the love of god, make my life and yours easier by weighing. It’s the easiest way to my ballot.
Other stuff:
-I can handle 250 words/minute. Go over, well...your arguments might not make it on my flow.
-I don't expect the first speaking team to extend defense in summary. However, you need to respond to turns. Second speaking teams need to extend defense and respond to turns.
-Second speaking team should TRY to respond to turns in rebuttal.
-Voters in final focus should be mentioned in summary.
-If your links don’t logically make sense, I’m probably not going to buy it, so warrant everything.
-I don't weigh anything in cross in terms of the ballot, so bring it up in speeches if there's something important.
Parli Paradigm:
I'm familiar with East Coast parli. I don't do well with theory, so I might not understand it. You can try it, but you still must interact with your opponents' arguments. The way to my ballot is by weighing. You don't need to go for everything at the end of the debate, but you should still respond to opponents' arguments and not extend through ink! Break the last speech into voters and weigh!
Other points (very similar to my paradigm for PF, so take that for what you will):
-Because you're not using evidence, please maintain a 200 word/minute maximum.
-Rebuttals should not be in the final speech. I believe that your rebuttals, at the very minimum, should begin in the member speeches. This allows for final interactions in the final speech between the two sides, and this avoids the idea of "no new arguments in the last speech."
-No tag teaming.
-If your links don’t logically make sense, I’m probably not going to buy it, so warrant everything. If I don't buy it, I will most likely not vote for it...
-Do not extend through ink! Conceded arguments are arguments that were poorly responded to or not at all; to which, you can extend, but if your opponents provide multiple warrants/responses to the argument, you must also respond to the rebuttals.
If you have any questions, please ask in rounds or after by emailing me at mary.chen@yale.edu
History: Former high school debate on the Georgia circuit. Saw decent success in PF for GFCA and Extemp for GHSA.
Judging PF:
Rhetoric
I'm a firm believer in appealing to the lay person but embrace the move towards a faster paced, evidence-guided style with fewer of the rhetorical techniques that you'd expect to see in a public forum or appeal. Speed, evidence, and coverage wins rounds, knowledge and rhetorical appeals win speaker points.
Speed
Speed doesn't matter. Clarity does.
Crossfire
I do not flow crossfire. If you say something in crossfire you want to be on the flow, bring it up in the next speech. Be respectful, yelling and rudeness will cost you speaker points.
Arguments
I expect to see a lot of arguments in opening and after that I expect to see the main ones you're running with, whether you call them voters or not. Calling them voters or whatever you do to make them perfectly obvious makes them easier for me to notice and weigh. I'm a flow judge, but making arguments clear wins rhetorically. Whatever voters you're running with need to be there in every speech otherwise they're dropped. If you want me to weigh arguments through a particular framework, you better bring it up in constructive or rebuttal and continue it through summary and final focus
Decision
My RFD depends upon those arguments or voters that you make perfectly clear and support throughout your round. The most standing and heaviest offense (impacts) at the end of the round wins. Scoring offensive points wins, but don't forget to defend.
Thank you for taking time to read this prior to your round. As your judge, I hope to provide a balanced ruling concerning your debate. In order for me to most effectively do so, here's what I need from you. Throughout the debate, it's important to be respectful. Please respect your opponents during every stage of the debate. This includes crossfires.
Furthermore, extend your points throughout the debate. A wonderful opening statement doesn't mean a wonderful debate if you don't extend those points all the way through to final focus.
Most importantly, do not spread when I am judging. I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. I can keep up with your spreading because I debated for four years, but in a true public forum setting, you would be laughed off of the stage for talking that fast. Spread at your own risk because I will not try to keep up with all twelve of your contentions.
Additionally, please use your allotted prep time. It will only help you win, and I do penalize teams harshly when they give me a 1 and a half minute final focus after leaving a minute of a prep time on the table.
Make sure that you are not repeating yourself. I love refreshers, but I don't ever want the same speech twice. It's also imperative that every speech pertains to the resolution. I personally am a bit of a stickler for staying with the resolution. Unless you have a really good reason, we shouldn't be talking about nuclear war if the debate is about sports subsidies.
Finally, this is public forum debate. I don't want any of the debates I hear to turn into a source war. Anybody can rattle off names of sources and say that it proves pro or con, but what's most important to me is how you use your sources to prove the necessity behind each contention, subpoint, etc. I'd much rather hear three good contentions with one good source each than five mediocre contentions with two sources a piece.
At the end of the day, however, the most important thing is that everyone learns how to better themselves for the next debate while also having fun. Everybody reading this is most likely a very talented debater, and I wish the best of luck to all of you.
Sincerely,
Jackson Fuentes
History: I did PF debate during highschool, debated in the GA circuit and went to many National Circuit tournaments. I have been judging PF for a while now. I have been off the circuit for a little while though, and may not be knowledgeable about recent developments within the last year in regards to PF.
How I evaluate the round: I expect you to extend your arguments throughout the whole round. This means offense from the rebuttal needs to be extended through the Summary and Final Focus for it to be weighed in the round. I also do not like it when teams bring up something from rebuttal in the final focus without extending it through summary (called extending through ink), doing this will likely result in the argument being dropped off my flow.
Argumentation: I expect all arguments to be properly warranted and impacted with supportive evidence to go with it. However, don't just speak off cards.
If you want the argument to be important, then make sure I know that it is important.
Experience/Background: I coached at Columbus HS from 2013-2021, primarily Public Forum, and now coach at Carrollton HS (2021-present). I did not debate in high school or college, but I have been coaching and judging PF, a little LD, and IEs since 2013, both locally (Georgia) and on the national circuit, including TOC and NSDA Nationals. I spent several years (2017-2022) as a senior staff member with Summit Debate and previously led labs at Emory (2016-2019).
Judging Preferences:
If you have specific questions about me as a judge that are not answered below (or need clarification), please feel free to ask them. Some general guidelines and answers to frequently asked questions are below:
1. Speed: I can flow a reasonably fast speed when I'm at the top of my game, but I am human. If it's late in the day/tournament, I am likely tired, and my capacity for speed drops accordingly. I will not be offended if you ask me about this before the round. For online rounds, I prefer that you speak at a more moderate speed. I will tell you "clear" if I need you to slow down. If I am flowing on paper, you should err on the slower side of speed than if I am flowing on my laptop.
2. Signposting and Roadmaps: Signposting is good. Please do it. It makes my job easier. Off-time roadmaps aren't really needed if you're just going "their case, our case", but do give a roadmap if there's a more complex structure to your speech.
3. Consistency of Arguments/Making Decisions: Anything you expect me to vote on should be in summary and final focus. Defense is not "sticky" -- meaning you cannot extend it from rebuttal to final focus. Please weigh. I love voters in summary, but I am fine if you do a line-by-line summary.
4. Prep (in-round and pre-round): Please pre-flow before you enter the round. Monitor your own prep time. If you and your opponents want to time each other to keep yourselves honest, go for it. Do not steal prep time - if you have called for a card and your opponents are looking for it, you should not be writing/prepping unless you are also running your prep time. (If a tournament has specific rules that state otherwise, I will defer to tournament policy.) On that note, have your evidence ready. It should not take you longer than 20-30 seconds to pull up a piece of evidence when asked. If you delay the round by taking forever to find a card, your speaker points will probably reflect it.
5. Overviews in second rebuttal: In general, I think a short observation or weighing mechanism is probably more okay than a full-fledged contention that you're trying to sneak in as an "overview". Tread lightly.
6. Frontlines: Second speaking team should answer turns and frontline in rebuttal. I don't need a 2-2 split, but I do think you need to address the speech that preceded yours.
7. Theory, Kritiks, and Progressive Arguments: I prefer not judging theory debates. Strongly prefer not judging theory debates. If you are checking back against a truly abusive practice, I will listen to and evaluate the argument. If you are using theory/Ks/etc. in a way intended to overwhelm/intimidate an opponent who has no idea what's going on, I am not going to respond well to that.
8. Crossfire: I do not flow crossfire. If it comes up in cross and you expect it to serve a role in my decision-making process, I expect you to bring it up in a later speech.
9. Speaker points: I basically never give 30s, so you should not expect them from me. My range is usually from 28-29.7.
Hi! I competed in PF on the local Georgia circuit for 4 years and the national circuit for 2 years at Starr's Mill High School and go to GT.
*I will not vote for homophobic, racist, sexist, xenophobic, or offensive arguments. If you run something bigoted or if you are racist, homophobic, ableist, sexist, etc. - I will drop you.
*Do not interrupt unnecessarily in crossfire (this is especially true if you're a male debater in cross with a female opponent). Do not shake your head, make faces, mutter, etc. during your opponents' speeches (this is especially true if you're a male debater doing this to a female opponent). I hate this.
How to get my Ballot:
I do not want to intervene. Please weigh and do not extend through ink so I don't have to.
I like well warranted and well-weighed arguments. I will vote on arguments most heavily weighed (with good warrants) that still have offense left at the end of the round.
I won't vote for an argument if it isn't in Summary and FF.
Second rebuttal must respond to first rebuttal arguments/offense if the second speaking team is collapsing on those arguments. Defense doesn't have to be in first summary and Summary and FF should be mirrored.
Weighing:
This is one of the most important parts of the debate. I cannot and most likely will not vote for you if you do not tell me how to weigh your arguments. Warrant your weighing analysis.
Signposting
This is crucial. Signpost clearly and often. Tell me where to flow before your speeches in the latter half of the round.
Collapsing
If it isn't in the summary and it's in the FF I won't vote on it. When I was a novice I went for all my arguments. Don't. Pick one to two arguments you are winning on and go for those.
Evidence
From my experience debaters misrepresent evidence a lot. I want Author [Not Institution Only], Credentials (preferably, but not required), and Year. I will not tolerate cards that are cut incorrectly or misrepresented.
If you tell me to look at your opponent's evidence because you believe it is misrepresented- I will.
Speaker Points
Making puns and being witty while having a good debate will make you look good and have high speaks. You will have very low speaks if you are offensive, rude, and generally not conducive to a good debate.
Feel free to ask me about anything before/after round. I will disclose if the tournament allows me to. If you have any questions feel free to email me at <holt.tylerjames@gmail.com> or message me on FB.
About Myself
I'm currently Co-Captain of Starr's Mill's Public Forum Team
I'm a 3rd Year Debater
I compete on the local Georgia circuit but primarily on the national circuit.
How to get my Ballot:
The focus of your round should always be to educate your audience. That being said, I look for polite, kind rounds in which the competitors are at least civil. Please don't have a screaming match and call it a debate. I'm pretty open to all arguments unless they are overtly offensive. If you run a squirrely contention, I might judge you for it (pun intended), but I won't vote you down for it. Puns are always appreciated!
Weighing:
This is one of the most important parts of the debate. I cannot and most likely will not vote for you if you do not tell me how to weigh your arguments. Warrant your weighing analysis.
Speed:
I'm fine with all types of speed, I'd prefer you not to spread so fast your opponents cannot understand you however. I like a debate with clash.
Evidence
From my experience debaters misrepresent evidence a lot. If you tell me to look at your opponent's evidence because you believe it is misrepresented- I will. Be cautious however if their evidence is what they say it is, it will look bad for you and good for them. Indicting evidence is cool, but it needs to be well warranted. I will give you one minute to produce the card when your opponents ask for it. I'll start prep when it is in their hands. If you lie or misrepresent your evidence I will not hesitate to drop you. Cheating ruins the spirit and educational value of debate.
Collapsing
If it isn't in the summary and it's in the FF I won't vote on it. That being said, as a first speaker, I'm fine with you dropping terminal defense until FF, but turns and any offense you want me to vote off of need to be in the summary.
Signposting
This is crucial. If you don't tell me where to flow it then I'll be lost. You are guiding me through the debate so please signpost clearly and often. Overviews are relatively new to PF, but I like them. Tell me where to flow before your speeches in the latter half of the round. Off-time road maps are good.
Speaker Points
I WILL GIVE 30 SPEAKER POINTS FOR COFFEE AND OR PUNS
Though debate is a serious activity I think some people lose perspective on it and don't have fun. You are electing to do this every weekend so I like to see good educational debates with clash. Making puns and being witty while having a good debate will make you look good and have high speaks. Be clear, speak up, look at me, and speak well and you will have high speaks. You will have very low speaks if you are offensive, rude, and generally not conducive to a good debate.
Feel free to ask me about anything before/after round. I will disclose if the tournament allows me to. If not, find me after the round and I'll give you feedback
I would say that I'm pretty open about what kinds of arguments I will listen to so I'll just give some likes and dislikes to make debating in front of me easier.
Likes:
Clear links and impacts. I have seen high level debates where people have a lot of great stuff but it's either out of nowhere or I'm not told what to do with it. Have a weighing mech or something similar and then use it.
Arguments that would make sense outside of debate. I'm not necessarily opposed to fiat, but I think a lot of people get really into debate-world and forget that reality is still relevant. I'm okay with fiat being used, but I'll definitely consider probability weighing if it's brought up. That being said, if you're running something like...ironically or as a parody I'm not necessarily opposed. I've run Ks that the whole point was aliens=capitalism. Just tell me what it means.
If you have a plantext, perm text, or any kind of text like that, and you give the other team a copy, make me one too. It just makes my life easier.
Weigh things at the end of the round. Don't make me do it, please or you might not like my result.
Dislikes:
Spreading. I can listen to speed--I've debate 8 years. But I have never seen a single round where it was necessary. Most spreaders tend to say the same 3 arguments 5 ways, so just only have 3 good arguments. If your strat is to spread out the other team by making 15 blipped arguments and then expanding on the 3 that were dropped just be better at defending 3 good arguments. I won't vote you down on this, but I might miss something you say and I'll definitely dock speaks.
Anything homophobic/racist/sexist ect. If someone tells you their pronouns use them. If you think you'll throw a debater of color off by saying something racist, don't. If it's offensive enough I might just vote you down on that even if you won on your flow. In the same vein, I'm not the kind of judge who will vote up edgy stuff like "genocide good actually".
Theory arguments that seem false on face: I'm not opposed to theory arguments. Some of them have changed my mind actually. But if you run a T on every word of the resolution, my bar to clear for kicking them is gonna be pretty low. Basically any version of "run 14 time sucks instead of being good at defending my arguments" is gonna be annoying to me. In the same vein, multi condo bad is something I'll vote on pretty easily if brought up. One or two kickable arguments is one thing, but again, 14 arguments you kick in the neg block is something I'll definitely buy the neg team saying isn't really fair for them.
In general, the type of argument doesn't matter as a matter of personal preference, so much as that both teams are given the ability to debate. The person with better arguments will usually win in front of me, not the person who came up with some off the wall strat to not have to debate.
Jeffrey Miller
Current Coach -- Marist School (2011-present)
Lab Leader -- National Debate Forum (2015-present), Emory University (2016), Dartmouth College (2014-2015), University of Georgia (2012-2015)
Former Coach -- Fayette County (2006-2011), Wheeler (2008-2009)
Former Debater -- Fayette County (2002-2006)
jmill126@gmail.com and maristpublicforum@gmail.com for email chains, please (no google doc sharing and no locked google docs)
Last Updated -- 2/12/2012 for the 2022 Postseason (no major updates, just being more specific on items)
I am a high school teacher who believes in the power that speech and debate provides students. There is not another activity that provides the benefits that this activity does. I am involved in topic wording with the NSDA and argument development and strategy discussion with Marist, so you can expect I am coming into the room as an informed participant about the topic. As your judge, it is my job to give you the best experience possible in that round. I will work as hard in giving you that experience as I expect you are working to win the debate. I think online debate is amazing and would not be bothered if we never returned to in-person competitions again. For online debate to work, everyone should have their cameras on and be cordial with other understanding that there can be technical issues in a round.
What does a good debate look like?
In my opinion, a good debate features two well-researched teams who clash around a central thesis of the topic. Teams can demonstrate this through a variety of ways in a debate such as the use of evidence, smart questioning in cross examination and strategical thinking through the use of casing and rebuttals. In good debates, each speech answers the one that precedes it (with the second constructive being the exception in public forum). Good debates are fun for all those involved including the judge(s).
The best debates are typically smaller in nature as they can resolve key parts of the debate. The proliferation of large constructives have hindered many second halves as they decrease the amount of time students can interact with specific parts of arguments and even worse leaving judges to sort things out themselves and increasing intervention.
What role does theory play in good debates?
I've always said I prefer substance over theory. That being said, I do know theory has its place in debate rounds and I do have strong opinions on many violations. I will do my best to evaluate theory as pragmatically as possible by weighing the offense under each interpretation. For a crash course in my beliefs of theory - disclosure is good, open source is an unnecessary standard for high school public forum teams until a minimum standard of disclosure is established, paraphrasing is bad, round reports is frivolous, content warnings for graphic representations is required, content warnings over non-graphic representations is debatable.
All of this being said, I don't view myself as an autostrike for teams that don't disclose or paraphrase. However, I've judged enough this year to tell you if you are one of those teams and happen to debate someone with thoughts similar to mine, you should be prepared with answers.
How do "progressive" arguments work in good debates?
Like I said above, arguments work best when they are in the context of the critical thesis of the topic. Thus, if you are reading the same cards in your framing contention from the Septober topic that have zero connections to the current topic, I think you are starting a up-hill battle for yourselves. I have not been entirely persuaded with the "pre-fiat" implications I have seen this year - if those pre-fiat implications were contextualized with topic literature, that would be different.
My major gripe with progressive debates this year has been a lack of clash. Saying "structural violence comes first" doesn't automatically mean it does or that you win. These are debatable arguments, please debate them. I am also finding that sometimes the lack of clash isn't a problem of unprepared debaters, but rather there isn't enough time to resolve major issues in the literature. At a minimum, your evidence that is making progressive type claims in the debate should never be paraphrased and should be well warranted. I have found myself struggling to flow framing contentions that include four completely different arguments that should take 1.5 minutes to read that PF debaters are reading in 20-30 seconds (Read: your crisis politics cards should be more than one line).
How should evidence exchange work?
Evidence exchange in public forum is broken. At the beginning of COVID, I found myself thinking cases sent after the speech in order to protect flowing. However, my view on this has shifted. A lot of debates I found myself judging last season had evidence delays after case. At this point, constructives should be sent immediately prior to speeches. (If you paraphrase, you should send your narrative version with the cut cards in order). At this stage in the game, I don't think rebuttal evidence should be emailed before but I imagine that view will shift with time as well. When you send evidence to the email chain, I prefer a cut card with a proper citation and highlighting to indicate what was read. Cards with no formatting or just links are as a good as analytics.
For what its worth, whenever I return to in-person tournaments, I do expect email chains to continue.
What effects speaker points?
I am trying to increase my baseline for points as I've found I'm typically below average. Instead of starting at a 28, I will try to start at a 28.5 for debaters and move accordingly. Argument selection, strategy choices and smart crossfires are the best way to earn more points with me. You're probably not going to get a 30 but have a good debate with smart strategy choices, and you should get a 29+.
This only applies to tournaments that use a 0.1 metric -- tournaments that are using half points are bad.
I did PF for three years at Columbus High School and am now a junior at Emory University. Im probably not very different than any standard flow judge. For specifics:
1. I try to vote on whatever offense is cleanest in the round, whether it be dropped turns or something from case. This basically just means that the easiest way to get my ballot is collapsing and weighing as early as possible.
2. I like consistency between summary and final focus, so if you plan on going heavily for something in ff, structure the summary accordingly. I'm not against 1st speaking teams extending defense from rebuttal to final assuming that it's explained well in rebuttal, but I still prefer to hear it in summary.
3. I'm not receptive to long offensive overviews in rebuttal that are basically new contentions and am very unlikely to vote on them. Second rebuttal should also address offense from 1st rebuttal - defense can be responded to in summary, but like responding earlier is still probably better
4. I don't care about speed, go as fast as you want as long as you're clear. I don't flow author names typically, so please don't extend just names.
5. for speaks: big fan of being funny and signposting. dont steal prep.
6. preflow before round!!!
I am a debate coach in Georgia. I also competed in LD and PF. Take that for whatever you think it means.
- LD - Value/Value Criterion - this is what separates us from the animals (or at least the policy debaters). It is the unique feature of LD Debate. Have a good value and criterion and link your arguments back to it.
- PF - I side on the traditional side of PF. Don't throw a lot of jargon at me or simply read cards... this isn't Policy Jr., compete in PF for the debate animal it is. Remember debate, especially PF, is meant to persuade - use all the tools in your rhetorical toolbox: Logos, Ethos, and Pathos. I want to see CLEAR evidence clash.
- Speed - I like speed but not spreading as if it is policy. Speak as fast as is necessary but keep it intelligible. There aren't a lot of jobs for speed readers after high school (auctioneers and pharmaceutical disclaimer commercials) so make sure you are using speed for a purpose. I can keep up with the amount of speed you decide to read at, however if I feel that your opponent is at a disadvantage and cannot understand you then I will put my pen down and stop flowing and that will signal you to slow down.
- Know your case, like you actually did the research and wrote the case and researched the arguments from the other side. If you present it, I expect you to know it from every angle - I want you to know the research behind the statistic and the whole article, not just the blurb on the card.
- Casing - Mostly traditional but I am game for kritiks, counterplans - but perform them well, KNOW them, I won't do the links for you. I am a student of Toulmin - claim-evidence-warrant/impacts. I don't make the links and don't just throw evidence cards at me with no analysis.
- I like clash. Argue the cases presented, mix it up, have some fun, but remember that debate is civil discourse - don't take it personal, being the loudest speaker won't win the round, being rude to your opponent won't win you the round.
- Debating is a performance in the art of persuasion and your job is to convince me, your judge (not your opponent!!) - use the art of persuasion to win the round: eye contact, vocal variations, appropriate gestures, and know your case well enough that you don't have to read every single word hunched over a computer screen. Keep your logical fallacies for your next round. Rhetoric is an art.
- Technology Woes - I will not stop the clock because your laptop just died or you can't find your case - not my problem, fix it or don't but we are going to move on.
- Ethics - Debate is a great game when everyone plays by the rules. Play by the rules - don't give me a reason to doubt your veracity.
- Win is decided by the flow (remember if you don't LINK it, it isn't on the flow), who made the most successful arguments and Speaker Points are awarded to the best speaker - I end up with some low point wins. I am fairly generous on speaker points compared to some judges. I disclose winner but not speaker points.
- Enjoy yourself. Debate is the best sport in the world - win or lose - learn something from each round, don't gloat, don't disparage other teams, judges, or coaches, and don't try to convince me after the round is over. Leave it in the round and realize you may have just made a friend that you will compete against and talk to for the rest of your life. Don't be so caught up in winning that you forget to have some fun - in the round, between rounds, on the bus, and in practice.
- Questions? - if you have a question ask me.
Background: I did PF debate throughout high school, and judged after I graduated. Most recently, while I was in law school, I coached the Notre Dame Parliamentary Debate Team, and taught an intro to debate and public speaking class.
Theory: Go for it, if you want, but the argument needs to be clear and concise. Also, in general, I am wary of using theory in PF debate because the topic has been chosen for a reason.
Organization: Please make it clear what contentions you are arguing/rebutting, just makes it easier to flow.
Cross-Fire: Though I do pay attention, I do not flow it—so if something important happens bring it up in a speech.
Summary Speeches: I don't consider brand new arguments raised during the summary speeches. I just don't think it's fair because the other team will not have adequate time to respond.
Final Focus: Supposed to be a summary, give me your voters and make them clear. Tell me why I am voting for you.
Decision: I vote based on the flow, so do not drop arguments, and be sure to offer rebuttals against all your opponents' arguments, and impacts. If the flow/impact debate is not clear, I will consider the quality of the presentation and/or the evidence relied on. However, if the teams agree (or one team offers and the other concedes to) a framework, I will vote based on which team fulfilled the framework.
One last thing: Let's all be respectful, remember we are all real human beings behind the screens.
I am a first year out from Columbus High School, currently at Agnes Scott College. I debated four years on the local and national circuit.
Speed
- Speed is good with me, as long as it is still clear. If I can't understand it, it only hurts you.
- If something is very important you should slow down and emphasize it just to make sure I get it on my flow. I get a lot but I can't guarantee everything.
My Ballot
- I do not flow crossfire. That means if something happened in crossfire that you think is important to this round then bring it up in a speech.
- If your opponent responds to your arguments, you have to respond to that in order for me to consider it in the round. You can't just keep reiterating your arguments, saying it multiple times doesn't mean I'll ignore their responses.
- No offensive overviews with new material in second rebuttal (basically don't try to put a new contention in second rebuttal).
- Everything important in final focus should also be in summary.
- I will vote off of what is properly extended into final focus.
- Weighing is crucial. If you don't want me to decide what arguments are more important then you need to tell me. Don't get mad at me if you don't weigh and then I decide what arguments are more important.
Framework
- Honestly, most of the time I think framework in PF is dumb. However, if you want to run it, I won’t hold it against you.
Speaker Points (a general guide)
- 25: You were either completely incoherent, extremely offensive, or both.
- 26: Your speeches were disorganized, pretty under time, and/or quite unclear.
- 27: Average.
- 28: Generally organized, clear, use up all time.
- 29: Well organized, spoke well, use up all time.
- 30: Amazing organzation, very clear and coherent speaking, use up all time, overall spectacular performance.
- Disclaimer: this is a very rough guide, the reasons the points I give will definitely vary throughout rounds and if I have specific reasons I will try to include in either written or oral critiques.
Evidence
- I expect all evidence to be properly represented. If you believe your opponents are misrepresenting a piece of evidence, tell me to call it and I will at the end of the round.
Demeanor
- I am fine with aggression just don't be a terrible person.
- If you make any racist, sexist, or otherwise derogatory or disrespectful comments, I will give you extremely low speaks and notify your coach.
Preferably debaters should have most of their material memorized; the less looking at preprinted speeches or evidence the better. If it sounds read or wrote taught it most likely is. Know your material. The caveat to that is opposing arguements, obviously some things must be read in order to refute the oppositions arguement. but opening or closing statements should never be read off of a prompter. Eye contact is important, more so to your opposition more then the judge. You are not only convincing the judge of the validity of your arguement, you are also trying to convince your opposition that your side is the more vaild arguement. This goes back to knowing your material.
I typically do not 'flow' my arguement ratings. There will be copeous notes taken in every phase of the arguement for both sides. Points given for point and counter-point will always be shown on the score sheet as well as the reasoning behind why those points were given. Neither side sould ever use the word 'conceed' or 'I give' in agreeing with the other sides arguement. You should not agree, not ever and give evidence as to not only why your sides point of view is better, but also why the points the other side is arguing hold no basis in the overall arguement.
State your argument, state your objective, state why your objective is the right one and summarize by restating the objective and why he opposition's arguement does not meet the requirements for winning the debate.
VLD
Look, I've been out of the debate game for about 3 years now and when I was in Highschool I mostly did PF, if you spread I'm going to try and keep up but no promises. I will ask to read cards after the round if they are contentious and the debate hinges on their interpretation.
Speaks - I personally like people who speak at a decent pace but every word is still understandable. If you're reading a card and you blaze through it, it's kinda useless since I didn't really hear anything. I also like when people slow down more towards their Contention names I can't tell you how many times the contention names go right over my head.
have a plan instead of an advocacy
do a counterplan if you want
i think i can understand a K, but just be careful IF THE DEBATE GETS MESSY I WILL JUST SIT BACK AND TRY TO LISTEN MY WAY THROUGH THE DEBATE
really talk through why i ought to vote for you, whats the role of the ballot
Again to restate, LD was not and still is not my life. So if you want me to understand something you say or argue just try and explain it instead of just dropping it on me and moving on.
PF
Impacts are the most important thing to me. If you can't tell me the impact of your argument then your wasting time.
Crossfires are not going to be flowed. I love seeing new perspectives to the topic. if you can flip what usually is a pro advocacy and use it on the con, and vice versa, you will
- catch my attention
- make me really want to hear what you have to say
- catch your opponents off gaurd
- and they will most likely have no response for your arguments
Make sure to establish a framework or else im defaulting to util
if your opponents don't state a framework or definitions in case make sure to crystalize in first cross that everyone is defaulting to your sides fw and definitions, as long as they're reasonable, don't make assumptions.
I love seeing clash, don't just stand there and not attack your opponents case during rebuttal speech. I've already flowed your case. Take your 4 minutes to attack their case.
I can handle decent speed, but dont go overboard.
Summary and final focus need to have the same voters or else it will be really hard for you to win.
Moral arguments aren't really my thing unless they hit close to home, if you want my moral vote really try and reach out to me as a person in case, otherwise keep your debates fun and GO, FIGHT, WIN!
New parent judge.
About Myself
I'm a parent judge from Starr's Mill. I started judging PF during the 2015-2016 school year.
Preferences
Some speed is okay, but if your arguments don't stand out because they're buried in verbiage, I won't weigh them. (As other judges have noted, "quality not quantity.") When you refer to your evidence, your initial reference should give some context other than the author's name. You have thoroughly researched the topic, but I haven't, so "the Smith card" means nothing to me.
Be sure to clearly signpost and reiterate your signposting throughout the round. Enunciate when you state your contentions, or they might get lost.
Being passionate about the topic is good, but don't let an overly forceful speaking style detract from your argument.
Please avoid speeches and personal attacks during crossfire. Adhere to the Q&A format.
I will time as well, but please keep track of your own prep time, and clearly indicate to me when you are using it.
How to Get My Ballot
All arguments need to be clearly resolutional. Convey your impacts in specific terms; provide clear justification that is extended throughout the round. I'm more impressed with solid offense than clever defense.
I realize that flow is part of a PF debate, but don't spend all of your time refuting the other side's case. If your entire final focus attacks the other side's case and I hear no reasons to vote you up, I probably won't.
I have over 15 years professional public speaking experience in the non-profit sector & US military environments.
When judging public forum debate, my areas of primary focus are:
- Enunciation & voice projection over speed. It does not matter how fast you go if no one understands a word you say.
- Subject familiarity. The quality of the argument is reflected by the amount of time spent on research. Unique arguments are always appreciated and show your research extended beyond the Champion Briefs.
- Verifiable facts from reliable sources. I do ask for cards, please be able to produce them upon request.
- Participation by both team members. It is blatantly obvious when one team member has done the work and the other has not bothered to prep beforehand. Lack of preparation is especially obvious during crossfire.
I will flow from first speech through final focus. On a close final decision, confidence and professional appearance are always awarded extra points. Points will be deducted for poor use of crossfire time.
Passion is appreciated, please remain respectful. This should be a positive experience for all concerned.
I debated PF all through high school, coached all through college, and am now coaching at Walt Whitman High School in Maryland. My role in the round is to interpret the world you aim to create, and to that end you should tell me explicitly what it is you are trying to do. I stick to the flow as well as I can.
common question answers:
1. Anything that needs to be on the ballot, needs to be in Final Focus, and anything in final needs to be in summary.
2. The first speaking team should be predicting the offense in first summary that needs to be responded to, and putting defense on it then. This ALSO means that the second speaking team has to frontline in the rebuttal. Any arguments/defense that are not in the First Summary are dropped, and any arguments that are not frontlined in the second rebuttal are dropped.
3. Summary to Final Focus consistency is key, especially in terms of the relevance of arguments, if something is going to be a huge deal, it should be so in both speeches. You're better off using your new 3 minute summary to make your link and impact extensions cleaner than you are packing it full of args.
4. I will call for cards that I think are important, and I will throw them out if they are bad or misrepresented, regardless of if they are challenged in the round. sometimes when two arguments are clashing with little to no analysis, this is the only way to settle it.
As a note, I am pretty hard on evidence, especially as sharing docs is becoming more popular. If you are making an argument, and the evidence is explicitly making a different argument, I won't be able to flow your arg.
Speed is fine, but spreading isn't. I'll evaluate critical arguments if they have a solid link, but they have to link to the topic y'all, so they basically have to be a critical disad.
I evaluate theory if it's needed, but I'm really skeptical of how often that is.
Feel free to ask for anything else you need to know.
You should pre-flow before the start time of the round, that will help your speaks!