Prattville High Lion Classic
2022 — Prattville, AL/US
Lincoln Douglas Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideJordan Berry - Loveless Academic Magnet Program High School
Hello!
I have been a coach and judge since 2015. Most debaters over the years categorize me as a traditional L/D judge. My chief weighing mechanism is usually framework (my undergraduate degree is in philosophy), but I can be persuaded to the contrary. I have no value hierarchy. I strive to keep personal views and ballot intervention away from my RFD. I will evaluate only those arguments brought up by the debaters.
Speed is an issue for me. This is primarily an education and communication activity. I highly doubt either Lincoln or Douglas themselves were spreading, and I've never seen spreading in any real-life situation aside from episodes of "Storage Wars." I do flow the round (though not cross), but "winning the flow" isn't the same as winning the round in some cases; this event is supposed to be persuasive and accessible, not a checklist of responses and replies. Thus, I always roll my eyes when one of my debaters complains about "lay" judges: in crafting a case/round, they should receive as much consideration as that ex-policy debater.
Other issues for me: do be respectful. Do engage meaningfully with the resolution. Do be honest. Do have fun.
Break a leg!
P.S. All this extinction stuff is just debaters trolling, right?
I prefer clarity to speed. Every. Time. Spreading will lose points with me.
I prefer a well-reasoned argument to number of cards. While evidence is of course a part of any argument, I particularly reward the team that can apply specific evidence to their argument clearly.
I prefer a team that listens to and responds to the other side's argument appropriately.
I do not pay much attention to crossfire; IMO, crossfire is your opportunity to see what you can do with your opponent's case. I want to hear you bring up blocks, refutation and/or counterpoints based on your crossfire in the subsequent parts of the round.
As a coach, I will usually be pretty familiar with both sides of the resolution. If a card sounds suspect, I will call for it.
SOOOOOOO TRAD.
PF:
-Do not spread. On a scale of 1-10 for speed I prefer somewhere around 6-7. I would prefer you to slow down or pause a tad for taglines for my flow. Also if you list 4-5 short points or stats in quick succession, I probably will miss one or two in the middle if you dont slow down.
-Arguments you go for should appear in all speeches. If your offense was not brought up in summary, I will ignore it in FF.
-I do not think cross is binding. It needs to come up in the speech. I do not flow cross, and as a flow judge that makes decisions based on my flow, it won't have much bearing on the round.
-At the least I think 2nd rebuttal needs to address all offense in round. Bonus points for collapsing case and completely frontlining the argument you do go for.
-Please time yourselves. My phone is constantly on low battery, so I'd rather not use it. If you want to keep up with your opponents' prep too to keep them honest then go ahead.
-In terms of some of the more progressive things- I haven't actually heard theory in a PF round but I hear it's a thing now. If your opponent is being abusive about something then sure, let me know, either in a formal shell or informal. Don't run theory just to run it though. Obviously, counterplans and plans are not allowed in PF so just don't.
-pet peeves:
1) Bad or misleading evidence. Unfortunately this is what I am seeing PF become. Paraphrasing has gotten out of control. Your "paraphrased" card better be accurate. If one piece of evidence gets called out for being miscut or misleading, then it will make me call in to question all of your evidence. If you are a debater that runs sketchy and loose evidence, I would pref me very high or strike me.
2) Evidence clash that goes nowhere. If pro has a card that says turtles can breathe through their butt and con has a card saying they cannot and that's all that happens, then I don't know who is right. In the instance of direct evidence clash (or even analytical argumentation clash) tell me why to prioritize your evidence over theirs or your line of thinking over theirs. Otherwise, I will consider the whole thing a wash and find something else to vote on.
3) Not condensing the round when it should be condensed. Most of the time it is not wise to go for every single argument on the flow. Sometimes you need to pick your battles and kick out of others, or risk undercovering everything.
LD:
So first, I primarily judge PF. This means my exposure to certain argument types is limited. I LOVE actually debating the resolution. Huge fan. I'm cool with DAs and CPs. Theory only if your opponent is being overly abusive (so no friv). If you are a K or tricks debater good luck. I know about the progressive things but since I primarily judge PF, my ability to evaluate it is very limited from experience. If you want to go for a K or something, I won't instantly drop you and I will try my best to flow and evaluate it in the round. But you will probably need to tweak it a little, slow down, and explain more how it is winning and why I should vote for it. I come from a traditional circuit, so the more progressive the round gets, the less capable I am of making a qualified decision.
I do not want you to flash your case to me. I want to flow it. If you read to point that it is unflowable then it is your loss. If I don't flow it, I cannot evaluate it and thus, cannot vote on it. Spreading in my opinion is noneducational and antithetical to skills you should be learning from this activity. Sorry, in the real world and your future career, spreading is not an acceptable practice to convince someone and get your point across.
Both:
Please signpost/roadmap- I hate when it is unclear where you are and I get bounced around the flow. Have fun and don't be overly aggressive.
Hey Prattville guys, excited for y’all and wish you the best of luck! I haven’t updated this paradigm in quite a long time, and tbh I’ve had a lot of tests this week sooooo…If you want to know the elevator pitch of my judging paradigm, it’s listed below. If you want the detailed version of my paradigm, check out Michael Fain’s paradigm. We agree on 99.9% of things when it comes to judging, except I don’t mind extempted theory (as long as it’s good and formatted:-). I’m also a little more open to reasonability warrants and truth>tech than he is, and I really like phil. Other than that, relax, have fun, take a deep breath, and remember: no one would regret anything in the nature of an interference by the Archdeacon more than I. I trust it will not come to that. But, for the last time, where are your goloshes? The thing is too bad, especially after what uncle said.
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I’ll keep it simple
da’s=yum
speedy=needs speech doc (jee0020@auburn.edu)
T=plz
dad jokes=37.58473829 speaker points
cp’s=cool
plans=might as well
k’s=eww, but sure [please don't run a k-aff tho]
framework=i. love. it.
theory=better be legit, I love my reasonability, so make the interps good
condo=more than one or two and i get reeeeeeeeeaaally sympathetic for the aff
anything I’m forgetting?=ask me!
Summary=my decision matrix rests on who won framing. once i determine what fw to use, i evaluate offense. once i evaluate offense, i make my decision.
email: faindebate@gmail.com
‘24 State Update:
Speed < Clarity - I’ve lost hearing in my left ear so make my life easier by sending clear speech docs for every speech (don’t just arbitrarily decide to not send A2 docs you’ve compiled mid round).
Read whatever you want. I prefer theory over most args. I am not as involved with debate as I used to be so changes in meta or wording are going to go over my head.
I prefer theory to most args andgood clash makes my life easier. I am a firm believer that it is the debater’s responsibility to be both clear from a speaking perspective but also clear in what their arguments mean. Done are the days where I do the work for you and sweat over if my scim reading important philosophical texts is enough to understand complex concepts. Any phil based argument should be explained so that someone new to debate understands what it means.
Specific questions about how I judge should be asked before the round.
My threshold for voting on hidden tricks is really high now. Almost to the point where you’d have to spend 50% > in a speech collapsing to it.
I don’t disclose. I’ll write individual feedback and my email is posted if you have questions.
I enjoy a classic debate.
I prefer to listen instead of relying on my flow. With that said, if I hear something I find important that I cannot remember, I will write it down. Continue to bring up arguments that you feel should be heavily weighted. If I cannot understand it then I will not weigh it. With that said, I am okay with spreading but if I am not able to understand what is being said, I cannot weigh it. Give me off-time road maps and be sure to signpost.
Hi I am Camp. I graduated at Montgomery Academy. I have done LD, PF, and WSD but mainly LD for 3 years. I prefer tech over truth. More than less, I was a trad debater, but do whatever you want as long as it is 1) topical 2) well explained. I can handle speed but do not spread unless you drop the doc to me and your opponent. I will vote a lot off of the framework debate. In your last speech please collapse on the arguments I should be voting off of. I prefer using speechdrop.net but my email is cmj0068@auburn.edu
Notes:
I prefer topic debate. I am not a fan of theory or meta based debate (time/prep skew or burden-based arguments). Disclosure is the debater's choice, and it is your choice to post your stuff on the wiki. That being said I have run theory and understand it at least a little. If there is something clearly concerning that has happened in round, go ham with a theory arg.
Crossfire and rebuttals can get heated, but it is an instant loss if you are derogatory toward your opponent’s character or identity that doesn’t impact cases.
Keep your own time
I don’t flow cross, bring up anything important in the next speech
I probably won’t disclose unless I have to
I love extinction but in truth it is not an end all - be all argument. I will not vote up a 1% extinction scenario with very few warrants vs a very well fleshed out structure violence case despite what you say about the “greater good”. Rounds are won on evidence and clash
Hello! I am a long time public speaking/philosophy hobbyist, with a background in H.S. Speech and Debate (a lot of I.E., but also a successful Nationals run with Domestic Extemp and Extemporaneous Debate), collegiate Mock Trial, and countless other public speaking engagements throughout my collegiate career thus far.
While I currently work full-time as a Software Engineer for Microsoft, public speaking and philosophy continue to be huge parts of my life in many ways.
I consider myself to be somewhat of a Speech and Debate purist in that I believe you should not feel like you have to fundamentally cater your case/performance to a particular judge just to win them over. Judges should recognize that people come from different backgrounds and that different isn't a bad thing.
With that said:
In debate, I try to view things as an Article III court judge would in a civil case. Your job is to tip the scale and to show me why I should side with you convincingly. That means to make relevant points, using excellent reasoning, incorporating outside knowledge and resources where/if necessary, and doing all of that poignantly and respectfully. Usually that means I almost always value quality over quantity, but I do not mind spreading if you believe that will help you achieve the goals I outlined above.
In individual events/interp, things are far less "comparative" than in debate, meaning your job is simply to perform well. With that said, really, the only thing you should know about me is that I value authenticity. It is difficult for many to stand up and deliver a speech, yes, but to deliver one that is compelling and authentic is even more of a challenge.
All competitors can rest assured that I consistently strive, both as a judge and in life, to set aside all personal biases and opinions, because I believe in fairness. I will not judge you based on anything other than how you perform. Even if I saw you last tournament and you botched the round back then - that will be behind us. What matters is the here and now.
Good luck!
Experience:I did not compete in Debate in high school or college, but I have been assisting with a debate program and judging for the past four years. I usually judge Public Forum, but I have also judged speech events and Big Question Debate. I am currently in my ninth year of teaching social studies. I teach United States History and International Baccalaureate History of the Americas.
Preferences: I can follow relatively fast speaking but please don't spread.
Hi!!, My name Ta'Nala Welch. I have never done debate so you should treat e as a lay judge. So please know debate in a traditional style (no K's or critiques). I will not tolerate any racist ,homophobic , sexist or any other discriminatory comments in or out of the debate.
I debated in Houston Tx. in high school and college. I was a policy debater. I have coached and taught debate for 30 years now; Policy, Public Forum, and Lincoln Douglas. I have coached and taught at Langham Creek HS in Houston, Tx., Hanover HS and Dartmouth College in Hanover, NH., Wayland HS in Grand Rapids, MI. and now finally at Auburn HS, in Auburn Alabama.
Emory 2020:
I haven’t judged many circuit level rounds this year, I coach one circuit debater and don’t get to see many high level plan debates. This means that in your first speech you should start slow for the first 5 seconds and speed up as you wish from there
Pref chain:
- Plan debate, policy, LARP: 1
- Traditional debate: 1
- Theory: 3
- K debate: 4
- Tricks: 5
- Performance: 5
I am a very flow judge!!! Tech should be true, otherwise you’re lying… So Truth > Tech.
I cannot stress this enough!!! NO TRICKS, NO SPIKES, NO FRIV THEORY!!! IT IS BAD DEBATE AND ITS GOING TO MAKE ME VERY UNHAPPY!!!
Add me to the email chain: donna.yeager@gmail.com
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THEN ASK!!! If you aren’t sure you can run something or have a question about my paradigm defaults then asking is the best way to be safe.
I am ok with good spreading, I flow from your speech and will refer to the doc if I missed something or am confused, but clear taglines and authors are important.
I default to the following:
- Neg wins on presumption unless otherwise argued
- Consequentialism for impact calc
Give an off-time road map!!! Every new off case argument will be flowed on a separate sheet of paper!!!
Things I liked in a round:
- Well-developed plans
- Fully linked out DA’s
- Good CP’s
- Proper decorum
- Good FW debate (Rawls, Kant, Hobbes, Locke)
Things I don’t like:
- Performative debate
- High theory K’s
- Spikes, Tricks
- Disclosure theory
- Friv theory
- Bad T/theory shells
- Incoherent spreading
- Speaking for others
- Ptx DA’s
- After round disrespect
- PICs
Disclosure:
I don’t disclose for double-flighted rounds, not that hard of a rule, if there is extra time, I might be able to give an RFD. I don’t disclose speaks.
Speaks:
30: I expect you to win the tournament or be in finals (rarely given)
29.5: Finals or high break rounds, I enjoyed this debate and learned something
29: Good debate, should break, close round with one of the above ^
28.5: Good job, room to improve, well executed arg on my do not like list.
28: You weren’t as clear as you could’ve been, the weighing wasn’t the best
27.5: Same as 28 but worse
27: Worse than 27.5 😊
26.5: You made some serious errors, ran something I don’t like or was hard to judge, you spoke awful
26: Worse than 26.5
25.5-25: You shouldn’t go above 3-3, you made a critical mistake and deserve to lose, you were racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, or ableist
My Public Forum judging philosophy will be the same as my asst. coach, Mr. Will Haynes. So thank you Will!
Flow/Speed: I am a typical flow judge. In rebuttals and summaries, please make it clear what argument you're responding to. All turns must be addressed in the following speech, so if you are the second speaker, and your opponent makes a case turn in their rebuttal, you must address this in your rebuttal or else it is dropped. Frontlining can be done in either the rebuttal or summary. I can flow 8/10 on speed. Do not spread. The summary and final focus must be consistent.
Evidence: If an opponent asks for a card, you get one minute to produce it. After one minute, I strike the card from my flow. I will call for cards at the end of the round if I am unclear on the intentions of the author or I have reason to believe it is mis-cut. I will not call for evidence due to washes or lack of weighing.
Crossfire: I do not flow new arguments in crossfire, nor does it have any effect in how I judge the round unless someone is rude, in which case I will deduct speaker points.
Framework: I default to utilitarianism unless another empirically justified framework is offered at the top of the constructive. I enjoy a good framework debate, so do not hesitate to propose a deontological value.
Offense: Under util, I only weigh quantifiable and empirically justified impacts as offense. If you do not quantify, there is no objective way for me to compare impacts at the end of the debate.
Fiat: If the resolution is framed in terms of a moral obligation (should, ought ect.), then I judge the debate based off the costs/benefits of the resolution actually taking effect. Therefore, I do not evaluate feasibility claims that have to do with the inabilities of laws or policies to pass through congress or any other governmental actor unless I am provided with compelling analytical justifications for doing so.
Theory: I believe theory is the best way to correct abuse in a debate round. It is much easier for me to flow theory if it is run in the standard format (A: Interpretation, B: Violation, C:Standards, D:Voters), but I am fine with paragraph theory as long as it is clear and well justified.
Kritiks: I very rarely vote for them, so just keep that in mind before you take that risk.
Speaker Point Scale: These are the criteria I use for determining speaker points. Everyone starts out with a 26. Do these things well to get up to 30.
Come to the round prepared and on time.
Remain calm during crossfire and speeches. Aggression and agitation are not compelling.
Give speeches with a minimal number of "ums" and "likes"
Have a clear organizational structure for your speeches. Signpost and don't jump all over the place on the flow.
Weigh arguments in your rebuttals, summaries, and final focuses. Don't just read a block.