Georgetown Fall PF Online PF and LD
2022 — NSDA Campus, DC/US
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Debated PF for 4 years in highschool, have been coaching for 3.
Bottom line before anything else is to take it easy on yourselves and remember to just have fun. Here we go:
- First things first, I don't have experience judging Ks or theory, so while I wont automatically vote you down if you run this kind of arg you should know I'll probably be confused
- If you’re running obscure arguments, make sure you don’t rely on your opponents confusion or potential lack of prep for it to win the arg. Prioritize demonstrating probability and a clear link chain that allows for clash and better flow of the round.
-It’s not sufficient to just respond to an argument with an opposite claim and leave it at that. Engage in the analysis, logic and links of the opposing team’s arg to allow for productive clash rather than just opposing ideas (this goes hand in hand with prioritizing challenging warrants over just questioning evidence)
-This might seem obvious, but you need to maintain access to your arguments to ultimately reach any weighing that I'll put on the flow. This means being consistent and clear with the args you decide to go for, and extending them throughout the round. It also means cleaning up after responses to maintain credibility (bleeding through ink gives me anxiety).
-I’m a sucker for some clear, nuanced weighing. Generic preprepared explanations on how big of a deal an impact is or throwing around weighing buzzwords won’t get you too far. Directly compare your impacts/links to your opponent’s with logic that ties into the context of the round and the world each team is selling.
When it comes to every other style/form technicality, I’m pretty much neutral. I don’t mind you speaking at any speed as long as it's comprehensible, and I don’t have any hard boundaries of exactly what I expect from each speech. If you feel like something is going to be problematic or probably not okay, chances are it is, and make sure you ask to avoid any unwanted situations.
Good luck :):)
I have over 15 years of experience in the field of education. I taught elementary education for 6 years, have directed several educational programs and am currently an instructor at the University level. I have judged 2 HS tournaments and 4 MS tournaments.
Kempner '20 | Stanford '24
or just facebook message me
4 years of PF, qualified to TOC twice
***Update for Zoom Tournaments: Slow down on authors and tags in all speeches. If you are worried about speed, I'll take speech docs and follow along. Clarity>>>
dec '22 update:
Send case cards on the email chain so we don't have to wait a bunch for cards
Updates as of Jan '22 topic
- FOR STRAKE RR OR ANY RR: I WILL NOT EVALUATE PROGRESSIVE ARGUMENTATION UNLESS IT IS SOMEHOW RELATED TO THE TOPIC, i.e don't read disclosure or paraphrase bc you didnt do any prep (normal tournaments, do whatever, keep my progressive section in mind)
- Far too many teams are sacrificing warrants in exchange for technical victories. To win you must fully extend your argument, i.e the uniqueness, link and impact, with the warrants on each of those levels.
-send me your case docs and set up an email chain with your opponents(lets save time)
- if you debate without your computer auto 30 (in-person)
- if your tournament isn't running on Pacific Time, please be considerate on early rounds, it's super early out here
- if you are flight 2, preflow/flip/set up chains or docs before and be ready to start by the time flight 1 is over.
- Debate is a game so tech>truth
- Speed: go as fast as you want, if you’re going faster than I can process, I’ll yell clear once and then it’s on you. Also, the faster you go the more likely I am to miss something, so do that at your own risk
- Defense you want to concede should be conceded in the speech immediately after it was originally read
- a concession requires an implication of how the defense interacts with your argument not just "we concede to the delinks"
- I don't care if you sit or stand/wear formal clothes etc, all that doesn’t matter to me
- if i look confused, i probably am
- give trigger warnings- if another team does not feel comfortable with an argument, change it. you can argue whether trigger warnings are good/bad for debate/society, but don't proactively cause harm on someone else.
- defense isnt sticky
- Flex prep is cool and tag team speeches/CX is fine with me
- if ur down to skip grand for 30 seconds more prep (during the time of grand), i'm down
- absent any offense in the round, i'm presuming neg on policy topics and first on "on balance" topics
- Have fun. Do whatever you want to do
- For reference, here’s the link to our circuit debater page to see the style of arguments my partner and I used to read. (Look for Kempner BS)
- I prefer framing arguments to be read in case, i.e extinction/structural violence authors.
- Offense overviews in second rebuttal are annoying, but you do you
- I think you need to frontline in second rebuttal but do whatever you want to do, however,
- Anything not responded to in second rebuttal is regarded conceded
- Turns that are conceded will have 100% probability
- Caveat on turns. Like my friend Caden Day, I believe that If you extend a link turn on their case, you must also make the delineation of what the impact of that turn is otherwise I don't really know what the point of the turn is.
- case offense/ turns should be extended by author name, you'll probably get higher speaks if you do, it's a lot clearer for me
- do- “Extend our jones evidence which says that extensions like these are good because they're easier to follow"
- Dont do "extend our link"
- for an argument to be voteable I want uniqueness/ link/ impact to be extended
- please extend warrants, I don't want to have a flood of blippy and unwarranted claims on my flow at the end of your summary
- this also goes for arguments that are conceded
- First summary
- Defense should be extended but I’ll give slightly more lenience to your side if extended in final especially since the second speaking team already had a chance to frontline it twice. However at this point, it’s probably not terminal defense if it was originally, but it’ll at least mitigate their impact
- Second summary
- This is your side’s last chance to weigh, so if the weighing is not here then I will not evaluate any more weighing from your side
- Defense must also be extended
- Just mirror summary, extend uniqueness, link and impact.
- Don't make new implications on something that was never heard before, it’s annoying for me to go look back and see if you really said that, plus it’s just abusive
- Cross is binding, just bring it up in a speech though
- I'm most likely not going to be paying attention during cross, so don't mind any nodding/movements from me
- I know how bad evidence ethics are, however, I will only call for evidence if if the other team tells me to call for it
- If your opponents are just blatantly lying about a piece of evidence, call it out in speech and implicate what it means for their argument
- I’ve always been a firm believer that a good analytic with a good warrant beats a great empiric with no warrant. Use that to your advantage
- You’ll have a minute to pull the evidence your opponents called for before your speaks start getting docked
- Exception- the wifi is bad/something is paywalled and you have to go around it
- there are also a few hard rules when it comes to debate
- Speech times are set (4-4-3-4-4-3-3-3-3-2-2)
- Prep Time is set (3 minutes)
- I will vote for one team and one team only
- I will evaluate theory
- Shells I'd be more willing to vote on - Actual abuses that make sense (trigger warning, gendered language [I think this is more specific to competitors than to authors], DA's in second rebuttal)
- Shells I'd be less willing to vote on - Disclosure, paraphrasing, friv theory, 30 speaks
- if you read a small schools warrant and you're from a big school, you are getting a 25.
- Paragraph Theory works too, no need to get fancy if you don't need to.
- I err on the side of reasonability here, I think it's the only fair way for teams who aren't experienced with this stuff to be able to interact.
- I reserve the right to just not evaluate a shell.
- i will not evaluate K's with no link to the topic and tricks. I don't know how to evaluate this stuff and I also think these arguments are insanely exclusionary.
- K's with links to the topic are your best bet with me if you're gonna read these kinds of arguments
- at the end of the day, it's substance or you're scared. I think topical progressive arguments make a lot of sense and are good for the activity, reading stuff like the Good Samaritan paradox ain't it.
- Sam's Thoughts on progressive debate align really closely to mine, It's a long read but I think it definitely goes into a lot more detail than what I have here.
- Spread on novices- I understand you want the dub but remember you were also there at one point and also what good is beating a novice team you could’ve beaten anyways by spreading
- This includes reading disclosure/progressive stuff on novices
- Be toxic- meaning, dont be an jerk during round in general, don't start yelling/cutting your opponents off etc
- Say something that’s blatantly racist/sexist/misogynistic/ xenophobic
- having moving target warrants that change from speech to speech
- From cara’s paradigm ““If you at any point in the debate believe that your opponent has no routes to the ballot whatsoever i.e. a conceded theory shell/link or impact turn/ double turn/ terminal defense/, you can call TKO (Technical Knock Out). What this means is that if I believe that the opposing team has no routes to the ballot, I will give you a W30. However, if there are still any possible routes left, I will give you a L20.”
- if you call "harv*rd" Stanford of the East, you get +0.5 speaker points (this has to be if you had evidence from that organization, it cant just be random)
- I agree generally with Nibhan, Nilay, Raj and Abhi when it comes to general views on debate (tech specifics are on my paradigm)
- im probably not the best judge here, but most of the same norms apply (ask for specifics)
- if you are running progressive stuff, just slow down/explain and i should be fine, your signposting is gonna be insanely important
Please include me in the email chains.
I'm a college level novice debate team member with Liberty University. As such I'm still learning all the technical aspects that come with debate in general. I've had ten years' experience with 4-H speaking competition. So would like to think I know a little something about speech.
Notice: Punctuality, it very important, period. I get it, things happen. Tech issues and other problems happen at chance. But there is a limit to my grace. Be on time, start on time and everything will be perfect. Knowingly and willingly wasting time in debate is very likely going to make me cross. No one wants that. This is the biggest issue that plagues my nightmares. Make sure that your keeping track of your time, both in round and prep. It's vital that you keep record of both your and the other sides time. I, of course, will be doing my best to keep track. But, things happen, and I might, by accident, not start the timer. In that case, it would be up to you. And furthermore, if I'm the one to tell you to stop every time. Well, I'm going to become irritated rather quickly, and you most certainly don't want that. And oh, so importantly. USE all of your time. In-round you only a very limited amount time to make your case. And the amount of prep is very important, so that you use it wisely.
Notice: I'm pretty open to anything and everything. But one thing that I will not tolerate, is the wide use of foul language. While it's use won't decide the debate for or against your side. In general, I would be more likely to consider the side that isn't throwing around curse words left and right.
Notice: If you say death is good, I'm going to vote against you almost all the time.
PF: As I'm a policy debater, public form is quite different than what I'm used being part of. That being said. as PF is slower, I have no trouble flowing and following along at any speed to dare to throw at me. So, go at the pace that you feel the most comfortable. Either slow and steady or fast as you can without sacrificing clarity. Time; use yours wisely. There is in PF, a very limited amount of time to go around. So, make sure you're not giving up on time. Because if you yield an amount that you could have used, and the other used all of their time. well, that side is more likely to win, simply based on amount spent on arguments and evidence.
At the end of the day/debate. Having fun and learning is the goal, so have fun!
I am a parent of a Public Forum debater. I also have extensive, albeit decades old, experience as a TOC/NatCir competitor and judge in Policy High School debate and NDT/CEDA college debate.
What I love about policy debate is the strategy game. I am a tech judge at heart. I originally looked at PF as policy-lite, but after a year of judging I have grown to appreciate the accessibility and topic familiarity the PF format lends to. That said, I do my best to rely only on the arguments made by the debaters…so…
Win the flow. Debate is strategy. Find the path to the ballot and for me, it is decided on the flow. That means I want to see clash; collapsing; etc. If you want an argument to be accessible to you in the final focus I need ink on my flow through each speech—extend link and impact. Note for novice: I don't flow CX--It's your time to gain clarity or pressure test your strategy...if especially clever or especially rude it may influence speaker pts, but not my ballot.
Weigh the arguments and argue how to weigh them. ;) I’ll vote on all sorts of weighing mechanisms you put before me…but if none are offered I’ll probably default to CBA body count. Pet peeve: extending through ink. Makes for a super messy round. If you offer a framework in your case, lean into it or else I kind of see it as superfluous, bordering tedious. Part of weighing is giving good warrants and implicating arguments throughout.
Connect the dots. Don't assume I'll know the ins and outs of your arguments the way you do and I am happy, if asked, to share my familiarity with the stock arguments for the topic so you can adjust your level of explanations. If I'm not picking up what you are laying down, you'll know by the look on my face, so please make it make sense.
I have no preference on speed, if you spread you would be wise to use signposts and tags to help this boomer keep the flow straight.
I have no preference on types of arguments or strategy. Have fun and be creative. If you can make it make sense, I’ll vote on it. FYI...I have very limited familiarity with most current K arguments and don’t feel like I could confidently evaluate a K debate—especially given the PF time constraints.
I’ll disclose if tournament allows and happily discuss post round-I strive to fairly evaluate each round and to share feedback that will encourage growth all around.
Bring your best strategy, argue it well and have fun. And you do you...I'll flex as best I can!
I'm a novice judge who used to do this way back in the day. I'm excited to hear your arguments and eager to understand. Because of this, I prefer conversational speed with clear signposting and minimal debate jargon. Have fun, and just be you!
Assume I know absolutely nothing and weigh!
I have been a coach and consultant for the past 24 years and done every debate format available stateside and internationally. I also have taught at UTNIF and also at Stanford. I think no matter what form of debate that you do, you must have a narrative that answers critical questions of who, what, when, where, why, how, and then what, and so what. Debaters do not need to be shy and need to be able to weigh and prioritize the issues of the day for me in what I ought to be evaluating. Tell me as a judge where I should flow things and how I ought to evaluate things. That's your job.
If you would like for me to look at a round through a policy lens, please justify to me why I ought to weigh that interpretation versus other alternatives. Conversely, if you want me to evaluate standards, those need to be clear in their reasoning why I ought to prioritize evaluation in that way.
In public forum, I need the summary to be a line by line comparison between both worlds where the stark differences exist and what issues need to be prioritized. Remember in the collapse, you cannot go for everything. Final focus needs to be a big pic concept for me. Feel free to use policy terms such as magnitude, scope, probability. I do evaluate evidence and expect you all to do the research accordingly but also understand how to analyze and synthesize it. Countering back with a card is not debating. The more complicated the link chain, the more probability you may lose your judge. Keep it tight and simple and very direct.
In LD, I still love my traditional Value and VC debate. I do really like a solid old school LD round. I am not big on K debate only because I think the K debate has changed so much that it becomes trendy and not a methodology that is truly educational and unique as it should be. Uniqueness is not the same as obscurity. Now, if you can provide a good solid link chain and evaluation method of the K, go for it. Don't assume my knowledge of the literature though because I don't have that amount of time in my life but I'm not above understanding a solidly good argument that is properly formatted. I think the quickest way to always get my vote is to write the ballot for me and also keep it simple. Trickery can make things messy. Messy debaters usually get Ls. So keep it simple, clean, solid debate with the basics of claim, warrant, impact, with some great cards and I'll be happy.
I don't think speed is ever necessary in any format so speak concisely, know how to master rhetoric, and be the master of persuasion that way. Please do not be rude to your opponent. Fight well and fight fair. First reason for me to down anyone is on burdens. Aff has burden of proof, neg has burden to clash unless it is WSD format where burdens exist on both sides to clash. If you have further questions, feel free to ask specifics.
I want you all to learn, grow, have fun, and fight fair. Best of luck and love one another through this activity!!
Tawfique Elahi is a debate coach at BL Debate Academy, Vancouver. He holds a bachelor's in computer science from NSU. He did his undergraduate thesis on Human-Computer Interaction for Digital Financial Inclusion.
He is currently the Secretary of the World Universities Debating Council (WUDC) and the Asian BP Debating Council. He brings a wealth of debate experience to the table. He has judged elimination rounds at more than 75 debate championships on five continents (Asia, Africa, Australia, Europe, and North America), served on 17 Chief Adjudication Panels, 3 Equity Panels, 30 Grand Finals, and chaired 12 elimination rounds. Among his major successes are serving as Chief Adjudicator at the McMaster High School Tournament and judging final series rounds at the World Championship of Debating (Korea WUDC), Hart House IV, and Canadian BP Championships. He is experienced with the WSDC, CNDF, BP, CP, PF, LD, Policy, Asians, Australs, and Easters formats.
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General Notes for speakers:
- I really admire teams that are well-structured and can clearly express the implications of evidence and properly tie back the evidence to their position.
- While you’re going to use evidence, it's preferable that you also explain the underlying trend/core issue associated with it.
- Engagement is important. Direct comparison and weighing make the lives of judges easier. It's preferable that you also illustrate how the advantages on your side outweigh theirs, and how their disadvantages outweigh their advantages.
- If you argue a comparative advantage, be prepared to justify it with proof that explicitly links to that piece of proof that your opposition used.
- If you’re presenting counter-plans, be prepared to analyze why your counter-plan is a better approach, for example, you reach the resolution faster/easier and take fewer resources.
- Please don’t present any point that will not be understandable to an average intelligent voter. If you do so, that piece of material will be discounted.
- Please don't use any offensive language that leads to equity violations.
- Roadmaps are appreciated.
- Speaking fast is fine, but please use clarity.
- Any kind of Style is fine with me as long as you're fairly understandable. I acknowledge that different debaters come from different backgrounds, and thus have different styles.
- I reasonably flow during speeches. During the crossfire, I take notes for the most important questions raised and how they're answered.
Hi, I'm Malea. I'm a policy debater at Indiana University.
Add me to the email chain pls: firstname.lastname@example.org
Please don't be rude to me, your partner, or your opponents. I can appreciate some passion in round, but keep it civil. If you say something offensive (racist, homophobic, ableist, etc.) you won't get my ballot and it'll be reflected in your speaker points.
I will pretty much judge how you ask me to. Explain what I should prioritize and why. Explain what lens I should view an argument through and why. I will listen to how you tell me to vote and take it strongly into consideration. Choosing a winning team is difficult, so make the correct choice crystal clear for me.
You can get my ballot through solid logic, good impact calculus, and a clear narrative that demonstrates why you should win the round. I love some good line-by-line as well.
Please keep your docs in order the best you can. I like to be able to follow along and it makes the whole round easier for everyone to navigate.
I am not reading every card and every block, though. With that said, don't clip cards. Someone will notice and it'll just be a bad time.
I'm not the fastest at flowing, so do with that information what you will. It's probably best to keep your order clear and not jump around if you can help it.
Also: It's going to frustrate me if you consistently talk over the person asking you questions in cross-examination. It feels like their time isn't being respected and I will likely dock your speaker points.
(Of course you can keep explaining until they cut you off, but don't make them ask you to stop several times after each question)
That's about it. If you have any questions, feel free to email me or just ask me before the round.
Add me to the email chain: email@example.com
Salado High School 18-22 | University of Houston 22-? | he/him/his | call me “hunter” nothing else pls, anything else makes me feel sad and icky inside.
Hi! I'm Hunter. I debated for four years at Salado High School on the UIL, TFA, and National Circuit. I’m now debating at the University of Houston (Go Coogs!)
As of TFA state my voting record for the entire year is 51% neg and 49% aff.
I'm an offense/defense judge, so I am good with anything you want to read as long as you clash with the arguments being presented in the round. This means if you are just throwing out conflicting arguments without warranting why you are winning them it’s going to be very hard for me to evaluate the round. I will try and evaluate all arguments as fairly and equally as possible. I sway more on the side of tech vs truth, but that does not excuse you from being silly about it. I love a clean round so if it's messy, that will SIGNIFICANTLY affect your speaks. Most importantly, have fun.
Please warrant and extend arguments throughout the round, I will not be doing that work for you. I want you to write my ballot for me, absent that judge instruction, I will most likely be voting on something you don't want me to vote on, and no one likes that.
I don't really pay much attention to cross tbh, mostly because I see it as clarification, not a speech. If you make an important stance in cross just point that out in your speech.
I tend to make faces without knowing, so if you see me making a stank face, you're making silly arguments, sorry in advance.
Now for the Stuff we care about.
Quick cheat sheet:
Tech --x------ Truth
Voting for policy ----x----- Voting for the K
Will read ev without being told --x------ Tell me what to read
Infinite Condo --x-------- No condo
Reasonability --------x-- Competing Interps
Overviews -------x--- LBL
Fairness -----x----- Education
"Neg on presumption" x----------K affs that do nothing
"It's pre-fiat"----------x Actual arguments
Counter-interp + offense –x-------- Impact turn everything
Policy --x------ Phil
"Judge" ----------x “Hunter"
Pref shortcut -
Identity K's - 2
Other K's – 2/3
LARP - 1
T/Theory - 1
Phil - 3
K-Affs - 3
Tricks – 4
Trad - 3
DA’s are very strongly recommended. I love policy debate and would love to keep loving it. Please have a good internal link story. This means it needs to make sense !!! 3 cards usually don’t cut it on a DA, but it can for some. If your 1n doesn't make any sense I’ll most likely err aff on the link and internal link story; sorry not sorry. The less you need to explain on the thesis level, the more time you get to explain the link/internal link story, the better the 2nc is, the better way to my ballot.
Please, please, please do impact calc and link comparison.
Along with DA's counterplans are a great position and I love to see them. Competition is important, but not always required. I am a sucker for a good consult or adv CP. Please have NB to the CP, if I can’t figure out what that is by the end of the 1nc then your probs not going to be winning the CP. Judge kicking is silly, I'm not doing that work for you, if you don't think you're winning the perm debate then you probs aren't. Condo is good. Perf con is bad, but competing worlds is probs good. I’m not to policy about uncarded/multi plank CP’s as they can be strategic and great proof of strong critical thinking.
Perm debate is great way to engage the aff with the CP so please shoot out a few perms in front of me and see which one sticks. I don’t have a particular dissuasion to cheating perms and am willing to hear any kind of perm you say aloud.
The more I judge LD the more I realize how much I like FW debates. I think FW is a very important tool for you to win your impacts. For me to evaluate your offense you need to be winning some level of the framing debate. I think a lot of debaters forget this then get mad when I don’t vote for them.
I probs default Util but idk, I just work here.
LOL. I do not understand phil to the capacity to evaluate high level phil v phil debates. For these kinds of debates, a good overview is greatly appreciated. I am most familiar with Kant, Maslow, and Korsgaard (the usual).
I'm comfortable with K debate. Feel free to read them on aff or neg, but don't get silly with them and engage with the arguments the other team is making. I love identity K debate (it provides great discourse that isn't talked about critically) but if you're reading an identity-based argument please be of that identity, if not I will be very skeptical of your argument.
I will NOT vote on nonblack afro-pess.
Framework is important, it isn't the end all be all of the round. I think it can be a very good tool for both aff and neg. I understand a fair share of most K’s except for pomo, so please explain what you’re alt does if you are using big buzz words only 3 people know the meaning of.
Specific links and explanations of links to either the topic or the affirmative are very important. Even if your link is generic and fits into every shell, that doesn't mean your 2NC or 2AC should sound the same every round. Great link explanation and application is a great way to win the K for me. Impact and alt debates are often very muddy, if it is messy by the 2NR find out how to fix it.
Go crazy with the alt? Idc :) - just explain how it can overcome the links/solve.
When responding to identity K's be careful of what you say, it will probs be racist, homophobic, or ableist . If it makes me feel icky I just won’t evaluate it, sorry not sorry.
I think that aff's being T is important, and if T is argued correctly, I will vote on it. I think a lot of T is read as a time suck (guilty), so if that is pointed out I will have a hard time voting for it. I think that limits > ground and education > fairness but can be persuaded otherwise. I default to competing interps. Reasonability is about the counter interp not the aff, at some point reasonability collapses to competing interps. I am not a T hack tbh, but don't let this scare you away from reading T because I will in fact evaluate it.
Theory is cool and a very good argument when it is warranted. I enjoy watching a good theory debate. I default to competing interps but can be persuaded otherwise.
RVI’s are ok, have a counter interp, prove why their model is not good. 1AR theory is also ok, but for the love of god please don't use it as a gotcha moment to dodge actual substance in the round.
If you want to read these I don’t mind, I will be very skep of unexplained arguments. But if you debate these well, I will vote on it.
Policy v Policy
Love, prefer this type of debate the most. Make sure to do good impact weighing and impact calc towards the end of the round, it’s much appreciated. Be smart and logical about things. I will reward good strategy.
Idk why I have to say this, but a DA with a SV fw is not good strategy. If you want to have a trad debate, please do it, but don’t be mad when you lose to 30 second util fw.
Please do not be discouraged from reading other arguments, even though I hack for policy debates, I love to have fun!!
K v Policy
I enjoy watching/judging these debates more than I do having them. Please make sure to do good impact calc and weighing. Like I said before FW is good, specific links are great. Make sure to compare worlds.
K v K
This is where my knowledge starts to fall apart, and you'll have to do a lot of weighing the two worlds for me. I have not seen enough of these debates in my career to evaluate them right, so I would default to this kind of debate if it’s the last-ditch effort to win my ballot.
(This excludes K v Cap)
I think that at the end of the day debate is an educational event, so I will give you speaks on how well you communicate to me and your opponents. That means be strategic and make good args. Speed is fine, I will yell "clear" if you are going to fast for me. I don't care about profanities unless it is used at or about your opponents. I do think how well you sound does play a factor in your speaks, so I would like to hear a more polished side of your speech.
I will start at 28.5 and work up or down
29.5 – 30: I enjoyed the round. You should be in deep elims/win the tournament.
29 – 29.4: This round was great but a bit messy, you should probs break.
28.5 – 29: This round was alright and average. You should go even.
28 – 28.4: This round was very messy; you were making silly mistakes and I was frustrated.
28.4-27: You should probs go back to JV.
25: You got an auto loss and are being reported to tab.
Few More things
1] Feel free to post round if you don't think I made the right decision, I won’t take offense. I think post rounding can be a good way for both of us to learn. I am human and will make wrong decisions just like you :)
2] +.2 speaks if your doc looks aesthetic.
3] Please add me to the chain, I like to look through cards to give the best decision I can give you. Keep the email formatted as: "Tournament --- Round x --- School v School". Also send a word doc, I don't like PDF's.
4] I'm not the greatest at flowing, if you're going to go full speed on analytics, please send them in a doc.
5] Please explain why a drop matters in the round, don’t just flail your hands and throw a big fit about a drop and then move on. I don’t care that they dropped extinction outweighs, tell me WHY that drop warrants a ballot.
6] Feel free to be silly in round, after round 5-6, I will have judged 10 policy rounds with the same DA impacts, i will reward fun debates.
Congratulations on making it to my paradigm, this is the first step to a great round!
TL,DR for those who ain't got time for that: I'm experienced in debate as a coach and competitor. I'm not the best with speed and if you wanna go quick give me the speech docs please. Give me some decent framing/weighing beyond surface level. Depth over breadth in general. I am cool with K's and all that jazz. Be ethical.
Do not feel afraid to ask me what something is or what I mean by something. Read the intro, how I vote, and your specific section of debate is my recommendation.
I coached mostly PF and LD for 4 years total and I have competed for even longer, placing in college nationals and plenty of tournaments. I have a bachelor's in political science and a minor in philosophy and I listen/read sci-fi and philosophy in my free time (amongst other things). So I am an experienced judge and debater with high academic literacy.
I tend to want to keep a face of impartiality while judging, I try not to go beyond a flat expression when possible. Let me know if you don't prefer this, I can certainly try to be more expressive in what arguments I like versus don't to help y'all out.
How I vote:
Depth over breadth in general.
I try to be as tab ras as possible, when conflicting arguments are similar in strength, especially, since I weigh links heavily. Especially the depth and explanation of the link. Links usually come down to which one is more true in the round, and who gave me the most depth.
I can keep up for the most part on flows but I have trouble at high speed, as I only have one ear so it makes it more difficult to hear at times. I still listen to podcasts and youtube videos between 1.15 and 1.5 speed pretty much always, so I can certainly keep up to a certain point, but clear tags and authors and dates will be necessary and you need to have good pronunciation. So in general, air on the side of flay or fast but not spew speed.
Dropping something in a speech and bringing it up later is pretty much a no-no. If they discuss something in CX I think it's fair game to talk about in your next speech but I don't flow cx so it needs to be on the flow from a speech in order to really count in the round.
Paraphrased and cut evidence needs to be legitimate and not exaggerated. The more you power-tag your evidence the less likely I vote for you. The more you paraphrase the more I rely on your links to be legitimate.
Use of logic, common knowledge, philosophical implications, etc... are all ways to provide evidence to an argument that doesn't necessitate the use of cards. Feel free to use them, I weigh these types of arguments and believe they matter depending on the topic. In general, evidence is preferred in matters of things likely to happen. And the philosophy should have implications to some ethical framing and told why it matters. An example I see students fail at too often that I know could be better is privacy. You need to tell me why privacy matters in this round, not just that it invades privacy but that it causes actual harm to people like distress, corruption, etc....
Road map and organize the flow well in the speech, please. If you plan on following a CP/K/etc... format please let me know how many sheets I need.
Be clear about what your arguments mean for the round, i.e. go back to the framing of the round, whether that be framework of a case or argument. Tell me why it matters for who I sign the ballot for.
Please be ethical. Do not steal prep, get evidence to your opponents in a timely manner, and treat debate as a friendly game. Plastic trophies don't matter after a few years, trust me I have thrown away countless awards from random invitationals at this point. What matters is the work you put in and the memories you get out of debate. Look to 'steelman' your opponents argument, i.e. try to be even better than your opponent at explaining their argument. If they are having trouble framing their argument, help them. This gives you lots of credibility and allows for cleaner wins if you are good enough.
Understand what you are winning and losing on, it's probably not worth going for things you are way behind on unless it's critical to winning the round.
I don't time evidence transfers until they start being laborious. Be respectful of my time and your opponent's time.
Roadmaps can be off time as well and I recommend you use one if you are doing more than telling me aff or neg flow first and the other 2nd (i.e. policy style flowing). Just tell me where you are starting if it's just an aff and neg flow of traditional debate.
I'm open to hearing essentially any argument, including things like speed Ks. The impacts matter a lot to me. Why are the in round impacts worth talking over the education of a traditional round. Why is this an a priori issue or a prerequisite to in round impacts?
Weighing- I've heard a lot of basic impact calculus this year and it's been okay. But you need to do the comparison to why things like your probably impacts matter more than their magnitude impacts. People miss the clash on impact weighing far too often. Usually, you fight over whether the probability vs. magnitude matters more, but if you both run nuclear war you need to argue why your timeframe and/or probability are stronger, or that your severity is stronger. What I mean is, why is nuclear war worse in one area over another (usually because it will cause some other bad impacts like climate change, effect air quality, destroy more crops, etc...).
Tag teaming- In general, I am cool with tag teaming to answer questions or to help your partner by clarifying the language of the question they want to ask. I don't want partners to be ignored and talked over. Each of you need to know what you are talking about, tag teaming only helps the collaborative nature of the debate.
Speaker Points- I tend to give the strongest debaters speaker points but rudeness and influency do make a difference. If the tournament allows, I'm more than willing to give low-point wins because one mistake can cost you a round even if you were the better debater. This is rare but does happen.
I will drop you if you just say cost/benefit analysis as your framework without any other context. You need to tell me how to weigh certain costs and benefits over others. Seriously, tell me why things matter.
I'm cool with teams running alts but the other team can perm them. Pro does not need a specific plan but not having some sort of model or idea to what you are doing will hurt you in most rounds unless you show me why your ground is more broad than a basic model. This can have multiple parts to achieve something.
Dropping arguments as the 2nd speaking debater is still dropping arguments, don't give new refutation in the summary as I will not listen by that point and will sign my ballot. Figure out what to go for and what not to, figure out how to win without directly refuting an argument, or just get good in general.
If you are using Val/Cri's, only debate over them if it matters for the round, disagreeing over the minutia of which utilitarian framework to use is not fun to sit through or debate it. Clash with the key differences if you need to and don't be afraid to clash if you feel it gives you ground you wouldn't otherwise have.
Cool with CPs and Plans, the same rules apply from policy if you choose to do this especially. Consider reading that section if you are wanting to run a CP or plan.
I will drop you if you just say cost/benefit analysis as your framework without any other context. You need to tell me how to weigh certain costs and benefits over others. Seriously, tell me why things matter.
Please don't put too much fluff and defense in your case, that's what refutation is for. Only define the terms that need defined. And everyone reserves the right to clarify a definition in the next speech after a definition becomes an issue.
Depth over breadth, please.
I'm cool with K's, CPs, etc... and I will flow the different main arguments on separate pieces of paper, just let me know on stuff like theory, framing, etc... where to flow and I will really appreciate it. I tend to take debate as a serious mental game, and respect what it can be even if most of the time it doesn't reach that. So give me reasons to vote for weird arguments that matter because things like K's and Theory matter when it makes a difference in the debate space.
Like I said above, I'm fairly comfortable with speed to a certain point but just be cognizant about your pronunciation and your taglines with the author and date. I keep a good flow and can handle most people's speed but I can't keep up with spewing usually.
Learn how to actually impact calc, look above for some instruction as I discuss it in how I vote.
I tend to not be conditional, if you feel other arguments are better than others, collapse to what you think will win you the round.
Name: Sajid Bin Hasnat
School Affiliation: BRAC University
Number of Years Judging Public Forum: <1
Number of Years Competing in Public Forum: <1
Number of Years Judging Other Forensic Activities: >3
Number of Years Competing in Other Forensic Activities: >3
If you are a coach, what events do you coach? - Not a coach
What is your current occupation? - Undergraduate Student
General Notes for speakers:
It is important for speakers to be aware of the following facts:
1. I value teams with a clear structure, who can successfully explain the consequences and evidences, and who can appropriately connect evidence to their arguments.
2. It's preferable if you use proof to describe the underlying trend/core problem associated with it.
3. It's crucial to keep your audience's attention. Direct comparison and weighing make the task of judges easier. You should also show how your benefits outweigh their disadvantages, as well as how your benefits outweigh those of your competitors.
4.Be prepared to explain why your solution is preferable, such as because it completes the task faster/easier and uses fewer resources.
5. Please don't make any arguments that an average rational voter wouldn't see coming. If you do this, the value of this content will be diminished.
6. You must avoid utilizing any wording that could lead to a breach of equity.
7. Having a road map is beneficial to us.
8. Speaking quickly is acceptable as long as you are clear.
9. I don't care what style you have as long as you're comprehensive. Because of their diverse upbringings, different debaters have distinct styles, which I admire.
10. I have a good level of energy during presentations. In the heat of battle, I scribble down the most important questions and the responses I receive.
Hi - I'm a beginner "lay" judge so my paradigm is a work in progress. That said, I appreciate clear "signposts" and summary language that drives home key points. I appreciate everyone's hard work and look forward to hearing from you!
- Barry Hester
I am a veteran teacher that loves vigorous debate and discussions. I prefer students to engage the topic with insightful and meaningful arguments. Be kind in the debate to the other students and make sure to respond to arguments made by your opponents.
Don't spread - I prefer conversation speed. If you go faster than that then you do so at your own risks.
Be firm and aggressive but not rude - I enjoy a heated debate but not mean and rude comments or disrespectfulness during speeches.
I wouldn't consider myself to be a specialized debate judge so if you use a bunch of debate jargon that may not work out well for you.
If you have questions feel free to ask. Good luck!
Lay judge, have judged many rounds. Speak at reasonable pace ie not too fast, please be clear on our main points and impact weighing.
Please speak at a reasonable pace. Concise, measured arguments outweigh extensive, rapid reading of information. For online, virtual debates, please disclose your case to me before the round actually starts. Have fun and enjoy yourself...every debate is a great opportunity to improve!
I'm a parent judge, if that's not apparent to you already. I always start with a blank slate and will hear you out, doesn't matter what side you're on. You can go fast if you want but I need to be able to follow your logic and understand your arguments. I'll weigh the merits of each contention. Every sport needs sportsmanship, so I'm looking to see if you can present your counterarguments without getting personal and keep your composure.
Style matters, trust me I learned the hard way when I wore a red tux to prom. So for speaker points, I'll be looking to see how you incorporate your authentic self into your arguments.
TLDR (im judging you and you have no idea who I am)
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Lincoln Park (CDL) 2016-2020
University of Kentucky 2020-present
I do not tolerate card clipping
i have a processing disorder, I can keep up but its in your best interest to reduce your speed by about 10-15% and/or send analytics in the speech document. You won't lose for not doing these things, but I can't vote for you if I don't know what you said.
IF MY CAMERA IS OFF I AM NOT READY - ALWAYS CHECK TO MAKE SURE I AM PRESENT BEFORE YOU START
decrease your speed by like 15-25% to account for the inevitable unreliability of online stuff.
Experience on the NATO topic: I judged some debates at camp and debated on the college topic. I would not say that I am familiar with a lot of acronyms though.
Read whatever you want to read - i'll do my best to evaluate all arguments without bias.
I do K debate now but I read a plan for 4 years in high school so I know whats going on.
Tech > truth (mostly) My threshold for truth rises when a debater is even marginally racist/sexist/homophobic -- if you do something messed up but not drop worthy i'll inevitably have a bias against you and I won't feel like keeping it in check.
T is good, theory is good, disads are good, counterplans are good, abusive counterplans are good, saying abusive counterplans are bad is good, Ks are good, K affs are good, framework is good. Everything that is not racist/sexist/ableist/and/or homophobic is probably good.
my voting record on framework is split 50/50. im biased towards the aff on fairness - i have a hard time believing the aff makes debates procedurally unfair. best aff strat --- nuanced counter interp that solves limits and ground or just straight impact turns. best neg strat --- tva + switch side.
K v K debates are cool and you should probably still make a framework argument about how to evaluate the round. i do not care if perms exist or not in a methods debate. convince me.
I AM A VERY BAD JUDGE FOR TRICKS --- READ AT YOUR OWN RISK
i'm a particularly good judge for you if you're a "larp" debater
send your case or 'disclose' as you may say. if you dont i will make you use your prep time to send evidence.
i operate on a offense defense paradigm
do you, but remember to tell me why i should care about what you're saying as opposed to ur opponent.
do line by line, respond to all arguments, and extend all parts of your arguments, split the block on the neg, and narrow down what you go for in the final speeches and you will be golden.
I will only read evidence that has been implicated in the 2nr and 2ar IF the debate is close. Other than that, I think the debating should be left to the debaters in the room, not authors or coaches who cut the cards.
If you read a great piece of evidence but can't explain the warrants and your opponent reads a mediocre piece of evidence and can, I'm more likely to side with your opponent.
Most points I give are in the 28.3-29 range. I don't give below a 28 unless you barely made arguments and I will never give below a 27.5 unless you've done something egregious. If you get above a 29 i was impressed.
Card clipping = -.5 for every offense
being overly rude or threatening = -1 for every offense
the phrase "cold conceded" = probably will lose like -.2
"judge" = MASSIVE REDUCTION (wont actually affect speaks but pls call me lauren, judge is too formal & makes me uncomf)
it is perfectly fine if you disagree with my decision, there are times when the debate is close and i end up writing multiple ballots before I decide and I pick the one that makes the most sense to me.
I am okay with questions and statements of disagreement, (ie -- but lauren what about this argument? but if you look at it this way doesn't it warrant an x ballot?) but I draw the line when it gets to the point where I've repeatedly explained my reasoning and you still do not give up. No matter how compelling of a post round argument you make for why I am wrong, I likely won't run to tab to get the ballot changed because I trust my own judgement. If it gets to that point, I will simply ignore you and if the other team has finished asking questions I will leave.
Preferred chain title: Tournament Name R# [aff team name] vs [neg team name] Ex -- Gonzaga R4 Kentucky MW vs NU DF
If you only have one card to send, I actually prefer that you send it in the body. 3 or more cards should have a doc.
i make a lot of faces while judging, sorry if that bothers you, but you can tell a lot about what I think of your argument by watching me.
Hi everyone, I am a parent judge, whose daughter is a JV debater. Please do not spread, make sure you're enunciating your words, and I appreciate road maps. Other than that remember to be respectful and to have fun. Good luck everyone.
Hey! My name is Xavier Rolston. I'm a Varsity PF debater and have experience judging. I consider myself a "flow judge." Defending your case is key to winning my ballot, as well as weighing the impacts of the round. I'm cool with debate jargon, speed, etc, but please don't use these with the intent of intimidating your opponents.
My email is email@example.com if you'd like to contact me at any point!
TO SUMMARIZE THE INFO BELOW: tech>truth but both matter, weigh and extend args, be nice, I'll always explain after round why I'm voting and give advice.
Specifics (most important stuff is underlined):
- (Speed and Time) I can definitely handle speed. However, don't supplement speed for clarity. I am super flexible about timing for speeches. You can go over time to finish a sentence or thought, but I will stop flowing after 5 seconds. I'll be timing everything.
- (Progressive Debate Styles/Theory) I'm not super familiar with progressive debate styles outside of framework debate, kritiks, and theory, but generally speaking, I'm cool with you running anything as long as you run it well.
- (Cross) I do not flow crossfire. If you bring up something important in cross, PLEASE mention it again in a speech, or it won't be marked on my flow. I think gcx is pointless so if y'all agree we can just skip it.
- (Evidence and Cards) EVERY part of your argument should be extended (Uniqueness, Link, Internal Link, Impact, and warrant for each). Similarly, if going for link turns, extend the impact; if going for impact turns, extend the link.
I'll make a google doc before the round start time for evidence sharing. Please send cards fast if they're called. I prefer you debate evidence disputes in-round, and argue as to why the card would change the outcome. Cards need to be cut. I will call for evidence if needed.
- (Speaker Points) I will rarely ever give points under a 27 or above a 29.4. If I do so, I will explain why.
- (Fairness) My high school has a very small debate program with no coaches. Keeping in mind that Public Forum debate is supposed to be accessible and fair for everyone, I ask that there are no coaches or other leaders in the room with you during a debate. It’s really important to me that everyone has fair access to debate, so please respect this.
As I said, PF debate should be accessible to everyone. If something mentioned in the round makes you uncomfortable, or you believe is abuse or hate speech, let me know and I'll address it.
I definitely encourage debaters from larger debate teams to disclose their cases on the NSDA wiki.
DO NOT USE AI CHATBOTS IN THE ROUND. (I feel like I don't need to say this, but still. Don't try to cheat.)
- (Some Advice) Above all else, weigh. I cannot stress that enough. Don't just throw around buzzwords like probability and magnitude — convince me why I should vote for you.
FINAL COMMENT: I personally don't believe Tabroom RFDs do justice to competitors: As a debater, I want to know what is going on in the judge's head when a decision is made. As such, I'll always give in-depth comments and tips as well as a full breakdown of the round (time permitting). Please feel free to ask me questions about anything. You all have the right to ask anything so you can get clarity. My RFD will essentially be a short summary of what we discuss at the end of the round.
Any questions? Email me1 Otherwise, good luck y'all :)
My name is Sodiq Farhan (he/him). I am a student at the University of Ilorin and I am a debater with speaking and judging experience in British Parliamentary (BP) and World Schools Debate Championship (WSDC) styles. I look forward to participating in other intriguing formats moving forward.
Email address: firstname.lastname@example.org
Conflicts: I do not have any.
One of the things to note if you would meeting me as a judge in a room will be that I hold in high regard, positive, fair, equitable and proper engagements during discussions and cross engagements. Do not be rude, disrespectful or discriminatory.
It is imperative that you note that even in instances when you do not agree to contexts and frames provided by the other team, I advice that you still engage the team’s case alongside presenting your counterfactual where necessary.
I also really appreciate that speakers ensure to always keep track of time and adhere to the timing as much as possible.
Lastly, I do understand that speakers often times have a lot of ideas to share during their speeches in a short stipulated time but please, don't speak excessively fast. Just as much as I would pay very close attention to speakers, I am most comfortable with audible and medium paced speeches.
Special Considerations for Virtual Debates:
Please ensure to confirm that your microphone works well and doesn't have any breaking noise. Be sure to be close enough to it as well, so that you can be as clear and audible as possible.
All the best!
I am a proud parent and teacher. I have been teaching in International Schools for 16 years now. I am still quite new to public forum but I'm really enjoying it.
Note to debaters: I can take speed but make sure your words are clear. Use your time wisely! Be yourself but remember to respect boundaries.
I have been only been recently judging in tournaments, and I have experience judging for BP and PF. My preference is to reward substance and persuasion over style because I believe that style can be a disadvantage for ESL competitors and I have a strong preference for convincing arguments over speed. (Please do your best not to spread, my old ears aren't as good as they used to be and I might not be able to process your argument.)
For rebuttals, when asking questions to your opposing team, let your opponents answer your questions as well. Also, I encourage debaters to structure their argument the best that they can as long as they are clear and logical. For evidence, I don't mind cards and paraphrasing as long as the presented information is accurate and reliable! I won't be too nitpicky about evidence as long as you're not lying and claiming that cows are pink or grass grows upside down, all that jazz.
Other than that, best of luck, have fun and you got this!
Hi everyone, please speak slowly and clearly so I can hear you! Please also be respectful of your opponents. Thanks.
If you speak at a reasonable pace, are generally pleasant and have great evidence, you'll sound like a winner to me. For online virtual debates, I would like you to disclose your case to me before the round actually starts and add me to the email chains.