Bergen County Invitational
2022 — Glen Rock, NJ/US
Public Forum Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideI debated 4 years (2019-2023) for BergenTech and got 10+ gold bids to the TOC
Email Chain: samgrindebate@gmail.com and sam.grinberg@emory.edu
TLDR
Tech > Truth
Debate is a game
I am comfortable w/ <250 wpm. Faster is fine but if I miss a warrant its on you
I expect docs for case and rebuttal, but I only flow what I hear
Big fan of post-rounding (ask in-round or email me)
Specific Stuff:
1AC/1NC:
This is your place to show off! I usually read 3-4 contentions +/- a couple subpoints in hs
If you have a wacky case you want to read in a tournament and are waiting for the right time to read it, do it! Creativity goes a long way in an event where 95% of teams read a grand total of 2 unique args per topic
If you plan to go for framing in the back half, it should be introduced the front half of the round. Stop reading "framing" in second summary. That being said, frameworks debates have started to grow on me and (if executed well) will make me happy
I refuse to flow off a doc, so if I don't hear it it's not on my flow. That being said, I would still like if you sent a doc (with all evidence) so we can speed up the round and not waste time calling every card
2AC/2NC:
Best speech in pf!
Tell me if you are starting on the aff or neg off-time
2nd rebuttal must answer all offense (or it's conceded) + any defense on an argument you plan to go for
"Sandbagging DAs" in second rebuttal is fine. The whole point of first rebuttal is to time crunch second rebuttal, so if you have time to read DAs then do it
1AR/1NR:
i am judging you
link missed in summary
now you lost the round
COLLAPSE! 1 min of weighing will get you a lot further than 1 min of extensions
My RFD sounds like this in 90% of rounds: Team 1 wins the weighing debate with X piece of weighing. I look to their case first. Despite some link muddling and mitigation read by Team 2, I vote for Team 1 on any chance of their case triggering.
2AR/2NR:
Final should mirror summary
Slow down! If you extended and weighed properly in summary you shouldnt have to go super fast
Evidence
Email Chain!!!!!!!
Bad evidence ethics = bad speaks and prob a loss
ZERO TOLERANCE if you are from a big school / are a top 50 team and are still doing this! FOR IVY RR; if I think you are miscutting/clipping cards you are getting an L and 20s. You are the teams that are responsible for shaping community norms.
You can paraphrase evidence if you want (I did all of freshman and sophmore year) but checking back abuse is really hard and I tend to agree with the idea of paraphrased evidence being analyzed as analytics so be warned
"DEBATER MATH" is my biggest fear. I wake up sweating in the middle of the night simply because it exists. If I call your impact evidence and I see a bunch of multiplication instead, I am multiplying your speaks by 0.5
Prog
Please feel free to reach out to me (email me, pass me a note, ask in round) about my understanding of a specific strategy you want to go for in round. I tried to make this section as specific as possible, but its impossible for you to understand my exact views without asking me. I will never punish you for trying something creative out, and I love hearing new things in round (as long as you do your best to explain it)
That being said, I really enjoy prog debate and messed around with it a bunch during my junior/senior year. In my career, I have read (and am pretty experinced with): T, Disclo, Para, TW, IVIs (usually evidence related), Academy, Cap, Set Col, and some metaphysics literature.
I would rank my understanding like this:
Theory > Reps Ks > Friv Theory > Identity Ks > Tricks
what is theory [----------------------------o-------] average college policy debater
what is a kritik [-----------------o------------------] average college policy debater
what are tricks [-------o----------------------------] average college policy debater
Theory Specifics:
Default RVIs, reasonability, and drop the argument. Dont kick a shell w/o winning no RVIs
K Specifics:
Discourse is a really bad alt (its not 2020 PF has evolved)
Perms dont really make sense in PF (since counterplans are banned) but if your opponents alt is a plan (which they usually are) (wait isnt that also not allowed?!?!?!) then I guess its fine? Everyone is just reading policy lit anyway so I am open to hearing perms and plan-ish alts as long as no one is giving me a reason I shouldnt.
Trick Specifics:
I wont vote for "the roto is lose" but if you drop in a silly warrant why I can only evaluate the aff or the first speaking team or something, thats fine.
If you win my ballot on tricks its a LPW
Speaks:
+ if you bring me crunch, sour patch (watermelon), twix, or peach snapple (is this legal?)
+ if you sneak in the phrase "no debate" in a speech
- if your name is Akil Kasubhai
Have Fun!
https://findtheinvisiblecow.com/
Brentwood '23 | UPenn M&T '27
Email: hongwil@wharton.upenn.edu
4 years of PF, championed 2022 Gold TOC, 5th at NSDA Nats
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TLDR: Typical tech over truth flow judge that enjoys weighing analysis and warrant comparison.
For reference, the main people who taught me debate are Siva Sambasivam, John Nahas, and Nelson Rose so feel free to check out their judging preferences as they are very similar to mines.
With that said, a few general points:
1. Please weigh. This means I want in-depth comparative analysis between the links and/or impacts. Also respond to the opponent's weighing as well otherwise the whole debate just gets messy
2. Final focuses should be consistent with everything in summary. Extend links (not 7 second blips), focus on warrant comparison, and sign post please.
3. I can handle speed decently well but I would prefer if you do not spread. If you do choose to spread, please always send docs beforehand just to be safe.
4. Be nice in round and don't read anything that is problematic.
5. I am open to theory and Ks but I do preface that I am not an expert in progressive arguments. I will try my best to evaluate them but no guarantees that I will always make the right evaluations. So run these arguments at your own risk.
6. If you make me laugh or make the round entertaining for me, I will give you high speaks. I hate when rounds get tense, debate is about having fun.
Reach out to me whenever if you need anything!
email me with questions and send me cases/speechdocs, akilkasubhai@gmail.com
i am flow
tech~truth
senior in hs. debated for a while
if u care: won silver toc/made it to elims at gold toc
post-round me idc, it furthers education within debate.
have fun!
Hey everyone, I'm a first year out from pf. I debated as Glen Rock OS until senior year and Glen Rock Bergen Tech GO in my senior year. If you care, I got some gold bids, qualified for the gold toc, etc.
add me to email chains: elijahonik@gmail.com
tl;dr: tech>truth. Debate is a game -- I will always vote off the flow and will never intervene. Read any argument you want at any speed (send docs)
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General:
- Tech>truth always -- I will believe anything you tell me as long as the argument has a warrant
- I don't view speaks the same way. If you are rude, offensive (I'm a Jewish college student, I've seen plenty of this recently and I'm sick of it), or do anything to make the round worse, I am not afraid to wreck your speaks
- Speed is fine but sending speech docs for case and rebuttal is mandatory -- if you start spreading baudrillard and don't send a doc I am capping your speaks at 25
- Things I believe are good (will not intervene on these debates dw): paraphrasing bad, open source disclosure good, debater math bad, defense is not sticky
- Please always tell me which flow you're starting on (ex. "our case, weighing, their case"). I don't need a ted talk as your offtime roadmap but I don't want to scramble to find which argument you're responding to
Case:
- If I haven't said it enough, sends docs -- if you paraphrase (smh) you should send both what you read and the cards you cite
- Read absolutely anything in case -- advantages, disadvantages, framework, framing, theory, kritiks, a big impact turn, straight turns to their case, be creative. Don't forget people can make ground/time skew args abt half of that. Everything is up for debate
- No switching between speakers regardless of the argument being read -- speaking order is one of the few rules in the NSDA handbook. K affs are read in policy all the time with the first speaker reading the 1AC
- I won't teach myself your argument from a doc so if you're reading something pf isn't used to like a really complex k, slow down a little
Rebuttal:
- This is essentially another constructive speech (pretty much the 2AC/2NC), so again, read whatever you want -- straight turns, a new constructive argument, idc as long as a doc is sent. Docs should include all the cards you're reading
- Second rebuttal must respond to all offense and frontline everything you plan on extending in the backhalf except weighing. No new frontlines in second summary
- It's a good idea to start framing in second rebuttal rather than second summary but I won't intervene if you start framing later
Summary:
- No new offense (with the exception of arguments directly responding to the 2nd rebuttal like theory), no new frontlines in second summary, backlines are fine ofc
- Collapse please, it doesn't matter how fast you go you will disadvantage yourself if you go for too much in the backhalf (trust me I've been there). The best debaters have good round vision and choose the best path to the ballot and go all for it
- Good signposting here is of utmost importance -- if you confuse me here and I miss an extension, that does not bode well for you
- I have a very high burden for extensions. An offensive argument (not just an adv/disad, this includes turns and etc) must include uniqueness, link, internal link, impact for me to vote on it (idc abt author names just extend the warrant). You cannot just say "extend the Bradford '13 evidence" and expect to win (I wonder if anyone currently debating remembers the bradford evidence)
- I know every judge says this, every debater knows this, but no one internalizes it. ~ 80% or more tech rounds will come down to the weighing -- read a prereq or something. On that note, please please please implicate your weighing/meta-weigh. I have no idea if magnitude or probability is more important unless you tell me
Final Focus:
- Structure should ideally match the summary but I understand if strats change
- Burden for extensions are the same here, the whole argument must be extended
- As tech as I'd like to think I am, making ff a little more "why we win" rather than just line by line, it can't hurt. Still please line by line and extend everything ofc
- If no weighing has been done in the round, I'll flow some sort of weighing in the first ff but second ff has somewhat of an ability to respond
Cross/prep:
- Time your own and each other's prep, if they go a second over you can unmute and say "that's all your prep", I don't think that's rude at all
- I time flex prep based on how long it takes you to ask your question so if you opponent tries to waste your time by answering a yes/no question for 2 min, it won't hurt you -- on that note, flex prep questions should pretty much be only yes/no questions (did you kick this, etc)
- Open cross is fine ig but don't make me regret saying this
- As pointless as it is, you probably shouldn't skip grand cross
- This doesn't need to be said but I don't flow cross. That being said, concessions made in cross are binding as long as they're properly implicated in the following speech
Progressive arguments:
- General preferences in terms of comfortability of judging (read any arg I won't intervene): theory/framework>reps k>friv theory>k aff>tricks
- "I'm from a small school so I can't respond" is the worst response ever. I literally started my high school's team and still read plenty of prog args in hs. Any response is valid if properly implicated but seriously you can learn anything from pf videos, opencaselist, and google
- In hs, my main experience with progressive arguments was all the stock theory shells (every form of disclosure, round reports, paraphrasing, etc), framework, reps Ks (I read cap and set col), and a few procedurals/IVIs here and there -- do with that what you will but I'm happy to hear any argument
- If you are confused about any of this please email me before the round or ask questions before/after the round, time permitting I'm happy to help
Theory
- I default no RVI, competing interps, text of the interp but whoever wins the paradigm issues wins that
- Theory must be read the speech immediately after the violation, if it is read later, opponents read a counter-interp about it and you will probably win
- The exact wording of the interp (unless I'm otherwise convinced) must be extended in summary and ff if you go for it. Rebuttal does not need to extend anything, that's not pf norms
- If only one team reads/extends an interp they auto win (assuming theory is the highest level in that round). Reasonability still requires two competing interpretations
- Friv theory is funny and a viable win strat as long as there is a warrant
Kritiks
- I really enjoy good reps/epistemological kritikal debates
- If you win your link and framing you don't necessarily need an alt to win (if you win their advocacy is tainted by settler logic and you win settler logic is genocidal and that outweighs their case you win. You don't need to win a decolonization alternative)
- Alts in pf are tough, there's definitely no plans/counterplans so alternative advocacy is tricky but saying something like vote neg to refuse set col and reading that one alt card that says refusal is generative and destroys the structure is fine
- Discourse alts are horrible and belong in 2020 pf. Again, I won't intervene but this fell out of fashion a long time ago in policy and LD, it should in pf too. Also, if you read discourse and don't disclose (and your opponents point it out because I probably won't check the wiki) your speaks will be very bad. This is also maybe a perf con, make that argument if your opponents read a discourse arg and don't disclose
- I am not very well versed in k lit and your opponents probably aren't either (this is pf) so don't try to spread everyone out of the debate. I won't teach myself your k from the doc so making me understand is a good idea
Procedurals/IVIs
- These are sometimes useful when your opponents do something specific and reading a whole shell doesn't make sense. Let's say they clip one card, you can either evidence challenge or read an ivi saying they should lose for this particular card. Let's say they say something exclusionary, you can read an ivi saying they should lose for that. Make sure it still has what they did, why that's bad, and drop the debater
- Donot read disclosure, paraphrasing, etc as an ivi. If the argument is read as a shell read it as a shell don't be abusive. With that said, "Overview: the opponents' whole case is paraphrased which is just analytics based on what they want us to believe the author said so evaluate them as such" is fine
Tricks
- I have a very basic understanding of skep, lexical arguments, paradoxes, etc. I amnota tricks judge. Donot trust my ability to catch and comprehend your wack tricks
- If you read tricks, they must be very visibly clear on your doc, don't hide them. Also, they still need a warrant (I won't vote for "the roto is to lose" unless properly warranted)
I'm sure there's plenty I missed, please don't hesitate to email before the round or ask before the round starts if you have any questions. Assuming I have time, I like postrounding. Please argue with me, I'm happy to defend my decision. The last thing I want is for you to leave the round thinking you got screwed
I am a parent judge. I will try to vote on the flow (tech>truth).
I know how bad it is to be judge-screwed. Please help me make the right decision:
* Explicitly state what contentions you were able to extend, turn, front-line, etc. and how your opponent failed to do the same
* Please signpost (tell me where you are on the flow)
* Please limit technical jargon unless you have the time to explain what it means
* I am unlikely to follow any progressive argumentation: theory, Ks, tricks (not that I know what it means), etc.
* You don't have to use your lay cases as long as you speak clearly.
* Assume I don't know the rules well, but don't be afraid of subtlety and sophistication.
* Be explicit with comparatively weighing your impacts and those of your opponent's
* If you believe the rules forbid something like modifying the status quo, introducing new evidence in FF, etc. declare it in order to help me invalidate your opponent's contention
* Speak slower than cattle auctioneers, but if you cannot help yourself, send me a speech doc.
* Logic and historical parallels are sometimes better than a questionable/unwarranted card.
* Feel free to post-round me. I will not get offended by any questions or criticism.
* Add me to email chains vladislav.onik@gmail.com
Good Luck!
Background:
High School PF debater.
Preferences:
1. Tech > Truth.
2. Extend throughout the round. Try and collapse the round to one contention by your summary speech, this will also help you with weighing.
3. Do the weighing so that I don't have to. Basically, make it clear why your side is winning when compared to your opponents.
4. I'm fine with speed, just don't spread.
Ultimately, debate is for fun, so be respectful and enjoy the debate.
For NSD:
- not your best judge for evaluating prog. Explain really well and implicate.
NSD: If it is before lunch, and you want me to flow, please bring me coffee. You have been warned. (Stolen from Claire Beamer) - Not going to evaluate progressive arguments made against lambda/ kappa labs. Tbh don’t run theory or tricks at all in the camp tournament.
I debated PF for four years at Glen Rock High School.
Add me to email chains:alyssasereb@gmail.com
Tech>truth
Speed is fine, send a doc if you go over 250 wpm
Defense isn’t sticky (extend defense in summary even if its conceded)
Second rebuttal has to frontline the first rebuttal. Anything conceded in rebuttal is conceded. That means no new responses in second summary (except responses to new stuff in first summary)
Summary and FF should both have extensions and weighing. Please extend your arg that you collapsed on, not doing that is the easiest way to accidentally lose. Then, weigh. Anything from timeframe weighing, prereqs, link ins, etc are very useful
Debater math is not a good impact. If your card says "a 1% decrease in GDP leads to an extra 20 mill people in poverty", don't do the math so it fits your x% GDP decrease. Econ is def way more complicated than any of us know how to calculate. If you have debater math in your case and you don't want to change it, don't change it, but "that's debater math" is acceptable impact defense
If I have to presume I’ll flip a coin unless told otherwise
pls send cards in an email chain or doc when your opponents call for ev. sending links in the chat is bad
bad evidence ethics can be made into a voting issue and will at least guarantee rly bad speaks
I will disclose who wins and if you want, I'll tell you your speaks
progressive args are fine as long as I can understand them
Feel free to post-round me I won't change my decision but we're all debaters let's debate abt the debate why not
If you have any questions before or after the round, feel free to email me!
Have a good round.
A bit about me: I am a student attending Bergen Tech Teterboro and I play volleyball (OH and S), soccer (usually CB), and have two parrots: A sun conure and a yellow-sided green cheek.
Experience: I have competed in PF through all of high school and just recently stopped going to tournaments. I've judged a few minor competitions in the middle school and high school level so even though I debated quite a lot, I consider myself a flay judge.
Preferences:
- Although it may seem obvious, PLEASE WEIGH
- I will not make assumptions for you. For example, if you find an inconsistency in your opponent's argument, don't expect me to take it into account if you don't bring it up in any of your speeches.
- I will also not look at evidence unless I am requested to.
- If a response or frontline to an argument is not made within an adequate time (ex. responding to case in 2nd summary), I will not flow it.
- Collapsing will not always win you the round but it makes it a lot easier to win my ballot if done correctly.
- Time yourselves, I will keep track as well.
- Clarity over speed. I can understand if you talk moderately fast but you must be clear. Don't go above ~250wpm or I will have trouble flowing. I may ask you to slow down one time.
- I don't flow cross but I do listen and it can definitely factor into my final decision.
- No jargon.
- Signposting is very important. Don't forget to do it.
- Defense isn't sticky (extend responses from rebuttal through summary into FF)
- If you run a framework, you must make very clear of why I should evaluate the round based on that framework or I will ignore it.
- Do not run theory or kritik unless absolutely necessary, not only am I not experienced with flowing it, I will have a hard time understanding.
- I love to see tactical or sneaky plays that teams may go for so feel free to be experimental (within reason).
- Add me to evidence chains: ejzeee@gmail.com
- When assigning speaker points, I usually give between 26.5-29.5. Almost never 30 unless the round was flawless. I don't usually go 26 or lower but I can. Don't make me. Making me or your opponents genuinely laugh will probably get you a 30.
- Don't call me judge, that's weird I'm still in high school.
- I will disclose the round result and speaks only if I want to.
Personal Gripes:
I love PF and always have enjoyed almost everything about it, but I feel that some view debate as an opportunity to just topple card after card on your opponent without any logic behind it. Evidence is necessary, of course, but IMO the strongest arguments are those that tell a story. Just pilling prep on your opponents isn't very fun to debate against or judge. That being said, please implicate responses and frontlines and use logic as opposed to just reading off of your paper/laptop.
For Extra Speaks:
+1 speaker points if you can tell me what the back row outside hitter calls for when spiking behind the attack line.
+1 speaker points if you have a parrot and you show him to me.
I will not change my mind about my decision but feel free to make your case post round. As a good friend of mine said, "We're all debaters let's debate abt the debate why not" - Glen Rock OS (O)
If you have any questions about my paradigm or would like to ask me something, just let me know in person or reach out to me at ejzeee@gmail.com.