Seattle U MS Public Forum Tournament May
2022 — Seattle, WA/US
Public Forum Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show Hideim a parent/lay judge
if u present theory u will receive a big discount
not good with speed
make sure to time yourself
summary final focus important
if there are any other questions, ask me in round
Nice to meet you! I'm Keira, call me Keira. I go by she/they.
Ask me anything before the round starts. I am reasonable!
Quick tips:
- Jokes + analogies = I am entertained = more speaks for you
- Don't be rude asdlkf
- Time yourselves, run the round so that I don't need to call on the next speaker for you. No need to ask "is the judge ready?" before every speech; I am always ready unless I say otherwise!
Add me to the email chain if there is one: kyraximin@gmail.com
About
I'm still a student. I'm still figuring out what debates/styles I prefer over others. That means you can run whatever you want!! :D
That being said, I'm NOT a lay judge. I flow. If you have them, explain K/T/Theory thoroughly.
Speed
haha I do policy
If we're online, be aware of your background noise/not-so-great mic/spotty Wi-Fi/etc., and adjust your speed to accommodate for those things, because it's up to you to clearly get your messages across to your opponents and me.
Speaks
You'll get high speaks (28-30) UNLESS you're egregiously bad or doing something stupid (being rude, racist, sexist, homophobic, anything along those lines)
Might as well put this here too: ask questions, but don't argue with my decision at the end of the round. You can be salty, just don't be a [insert bad word here].
Policy
People like talking fast in this debate style but please be clear if you decide to do so. I'll try to clear twice before giving up on flowing. Giving the order before starting your speech helps a lot.
Explain your links and cards at least a little when you extend them. Just saying "extend Bob '22" doesn't cut it, I need to know why.
I don't flow cross, but being mean in cross probably costs speaker points.
Yes theory is the highest layer but if you do not explain standards/voters properly then it doesn't work. Also, if you're going for theory, you collapse on theory ONLY.
Rhetoric is great.
It greatly pains me to vote for extinction impacts just because "oh no everyone's going to die." Please explain it compellingly- respond to the probability argument.
Public Forum
Clarity > Tech > Truth. If it sounds like your case doesn't matter to you, it doesn't matter to me either. Explain all your stuff, explain why it matters and sound at least kind of dedicated to it. Don't be mean to people with less experience. Actually, just don't be mean, thanks
I don't flow cross-ex but I do listen. Bring those points up in the next speech.
Do weighing whenever you want, but make sure you have something you can actually weigh- I'm not going to vote for a half-developed argument.
Explain why I should prefer your evidence.
Prove that you're better, not that they're worse- have offense.
On dropped arguments- tell me that they dropped the argument and if that is true in my flow, I'll be less likely to consider it.
Thank your opponents at the end of the round :)
Terry Choi
Experience: 4 years of debate experience in high school in mainly PF, some LD and BP.
Judging experience: on and off PF, impromptu, etc. during high school and my 5 year university life.
Quick TLDR:
-Spread at your own risk.
-No new arguments in summary and final focus, direct evidence to support existing arguments and rebuttals is A-OK.
-Off-time roadmaps at a reasonable length=OK
-Logic is important, logic with evidence is important-er, logic with evidence and nice impacts is important-est. Evidence alone without logic=big sad, don't do it. If you decide to do it, I will forget about it.
-Grace period: finish your last thought after time is up, but if you can end your speech just before/just as the time is up, that will get you a small bonus to speaker points :)
-Although I am in University and know fundamentals of economics and financial mathematics, pretend that I am a literate high-school education farmer who farms potatoes for a living-hence, explain concepts as concisely as possible, especially if the topic is niche.
If you have more questions, scroll down to the detailed version. Other than that, HLGF, lets have a good debate.
Detailed version (wall of text):
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Paradigms in PF:
Main ideas:
-Be polite and respectful. Do not bash opponents, keep your emotions in line. There will be consequences depending on severity.
-Be honest. Do not fabricate, manipulate or tamper with evidence. There will also be consequences according to tournament rules.
-Spread at your own risk: you may speak as quickly or slowly at your discretion, but being unclear or too fast that the judge cannot understand your arguments is not the judge's fault, it is yours. If I feel that the speed is too fast and your are too unclear, then I will take off points. This is a high school PF tournament, remember that and try to keep it at that level. If you spread like you are Eminem or a congress debater, I will mostly likely not completely know what you are saying and I may also scream incoherently.
-Time you take in requesting evidence will NOT come out of your or opponent's prep time, but reading opponents evidence will. That being said, if it takes too long to produce evidence, I will start running prep time and if none can be provided in time, it will be disqualified. Still, try to mention the fact that evidence was disqualified to your judge if the evidence was super important in the debate.
-Your arguments should have a premise, evidence, reasoning/link and impacts. Although I believe PF is a more evidence centered debate than other debating styles such as LD, if a team rebuts your evidence with reasoning and you do not defend your evidence with reasoning/reasoning with evidence, they may win the argument. Evidence alone does not win you arguments.
-Framework (including defining key definitions) is totally fine, but prepare to justify your definitions or framework using reasoning and evidence. If your opponents points out that they may be unjustified/abusive and you do not defend it/fail to defend it, I will not accept your framework. Conversely, if I believe your framework is abusive/unjustified but your opponents do not point it out, I will accept the framework as the opponents apparently had no issue with it. Just don't revolve all your rounds on the framework war, no judge wants to see that.
-Do not bring up new arguments in Summary or Final Focus speeches; I will disregard it, even if your opponents do not point it out. Extending existing arguments are totally fine. New evidence is fine in both summary or final, but only if it supports your existing arguments or rebuttals directly. If I do not see the evidence as direct enough, I throw it out.
-No Kritiks please, nor things such as plans.
-"Grace Time": end your line of thought, and stop. If you go too over the time limit, I will start deducting points.
-I do allow offtime roadmaps. However, if it is too long or excessive/exploitive, I will start cutting points.
-In crossfires, I will allow you to answer the question even if the time is up; no asking new questions when time is up though.
-Content warnings: if you are going to talk about some really graphic content (example: detailed stories of rape, murder, genocide, lobotomy, etc) then give a content warning to everyone before you begin your speech. A good rule of thumb is that if it isn't something you should speak in front of a sheltered elementary schooler, it probably requires a content warning. Better safe than sorry.
-IF OFFLINE TOURNEY: Turn on airplane mode, but I will allow you to turn it off if you need to reference a card requested in the debate. No evidence searching is allowed during debates. Keep in mind this rule can change based on tourney/state rules.
-IF ONLINE TOURNEY: tournament regulations come first before what I am about to state, but also I would like everyone to turn on their cameras and mute their mics when they are not speaking. Try to debate in a quiet place without a lot of people, if there is a person who is next to you once in a while it looks pretty suspicious. Also, no evidence searching online in the middle of tourney- evidence you have should be in paper, and if it is obvious you are searching up crap online while people are debating I will make a note of that.
-I will also be reading important evidence after the debate, so assume that the opponents' evidence are not fabricated during the debate even if they are really powerful or sound farfetched. For good measure, if you are sketchy about a certain piece of evidence that they used, let me know after I disclose the winner. If the evidence is found to be fabricated, I will ensure that action is taken, your tourney standings rectified and the fabricators of evidence punished to the fullest extent.
Those are my main PF paradigms. Have fun! :)
Hello friends,
I'm Hannah; I used to do PF for Interlake and am now a 26 at Dartmouth. Please set up an email chain for round documents, my email is hwhuang04@gmail.com.
LD
I have never ever competed in LD. I'll try my best to evaluate everything, but I also haven't debated in a while and am a normal college student at this point... I <3 topical arguments and will probably evaluate them in a way that everyone will be happier about
PF
I evaluate debates as tab as I can, but deep down I do like truthy arguments that make sense. If I dont understand something, I feel cosmically compelled to evaluate other things before it
I liked debating and I like watching people debate. Whether I like judging is another question contingent on some of the things below
Things I like:
- Decelerating rounds: faster case and rebuttal, slower summary and final focus (PLEASE COLLAPSE EFFICIENTLY)
- Clash: collapsing on a common issue on both sides makes the debate more interesting, easier to evaluate, and easier for me to make a decision that everyone is happy with (this can also be done thru comparative weighing)
- Frontlining in the next speech: this should be going on as soon as 2nd rebuttal
- Complete extensions: this goes for offense and defense - no sticky defense
- Warrants/analysis that go beyond "author said so"
- Implicated turns: please weigh turns that aren't direct link turns
- Content warnings with opt outs
- ROB analysis: I like progressive arguments which tell me WHY i should deviate from more traditional judging and what role the judge should take in the round
- Cool, intuitive arguments
Things i dislike:
- New in the 2: I WILL NOT evaluate anything not in summary
- New implicative weighing in ff: it's basically a new argument
- Frivolous theory, please don't waste my time
- Bad spreading
- Bad evidence
- Debaters that don't look at their timers
- Racists/sexists/etc
I'll disclose whenever I can. Feel free to ask questions about my decision if the tournament isn't running behind
Debated PF at Interlake HS, gtoc '22 and '23, t16 nsda nationals
Add me to evidence sharing before round: daniel7.jung@gmail.com
For Washington Debate:
Tech ≥Truth (with limits)
- 2nd rebuttal must frontline
- Be extremely explicit in the back half, especially with ff. Make my job easy
- Defense is not sticky. Extend what you want me to evaluate
- If both teams have arguments standing I look to good weighing. Although it's better than nothing, I'm not a big fan of basic "10 mil > 1 mil" weighing
- I am a fan of prereqs and higher-level link weighing. But they aren't auto-wins if you concede terminal defense or heavy mitigation
- Taking over 40 seconds to find evidence means we're moving on
- Don't do any of the -isms
- Lay appeal goes to speaks! Flay debate is the goat
- I strongly prefer no spreading
- Most importantly have fun! Debate your style!
For National Circuit Debate:
Apply everything above
Tech ≥ Truth (with more limits)
Theory: I evaluate the flow, but here are my general opinions
- indifferent about para, para past constructive is generally fine
- disclo is generally good
K:
- FW: make it very clear to me what the framework is and why I should care about it
- Performance: I will evaluate off the flow entirely
heyoo ✰
- signpost
- frontline in 2nd rebuttal
- extend turns in sum
- collapse on 1 argument pls
- weigh
- plz no spreadinggg
- NO THEORY OR KS PLSSSS
- i stop flowing at 10 seconds grace time
Run whatever cases you want just signpost well and extend them clearly.
Hey I'm Kathy!
junior at mercer island hs, 5x TOC bid, currently ranked #11 nationally for LD
email: shao.kathy.2@gmail.com
novice LD:
I mainly debate LD and know janfeb and march/april topic lit
General things that are cool to do:
- Signpost where you're refuting
- make sure to extend your voters!!!!!! ie if you want to go for and win on an argument, briefly mention and explain what it is in your speeches
- if you're reading different fws, engage them or collapse
- Weigh! your! voters!! especially explain why they matter more than your opp's
- time yourselves and if it goes off try to speedy it up bc we can hear when your timer goes
overall I'm pretty much good to evaluate anything so debate what you want!
*note for novice- if you wanna run progressive args or spread or whatever, feel free to go for it but please research the position first make sure your opponent is fine with it!
pf
generally the same as the LD paradigm minus stuff about fw, etc
also engage your warrants w your opponents, especially if you're running the same arguments!
In Public Forum Debate, I will prioritize the students' capability in creating further analysis in regards to the facts and materials that they deliver during their speeches. Giving away facts is cool but letting people know the step-by-step process as to how the facts are materialized is even cooler. Rebuttals and responses are better to not be one-liner or "they say-we say" debate, a deeper reason to prove why your opponents are wrong will be more credited. I expect a debate where students are able to cite factual and scientific resources such as journals and papers which has gone through scientific methods and researches rather than newspaper or website, although I wouldn't penalize you just because you cite them because they may also provide important facts and information. The team that wins, would be a team that can provide more tangible examples and facts that may be impactful to us in the future.