Derek Liles Paradigm

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Hi! I'm Derek Liles, the Executive Director of Dallas Urban Debate. I look forward to judging you.

Things I used to be: Debate Coach at Law Magnet (2016-19), Director of Programs at Dallas Urban Debate (2012-2016), Debater at UTSA (2007-2012), Debater at Dallas Jesuit (2003-2007).

Please add me to the email chain: dzliles@gmail.com.

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Reactive, mostly grouchy updates for Spring 2018:

1) Clash: Paperless prep is great, but...I feel like in-round clash and judge adaptation is subpar these days. Learn. To. Flow. On that note, you are under no obligation to send analytic arguments when I am judging.

2) Prep time: I think that any time that is not speech time is prep time (barring things like the time it takes your speech to travel through magic tubes and arrive in the other teams' computer). However, I can't be bothered to enforce a prep policy except in the worst cases, so I'll stick to using speaker points to incentivize best practice. Bonus points to people who run a tight ship when it comes to prep time use. Minus points for those who dilly dally. Generally speaking, prep stealing occurs when you use time from some cosmic bank of prep time beyond your allotted 8 minutes. Specific scenarios that irk me: (a) "pre cx" where you ask what evidence was read - that's CX time (b) adding ev mid speech and sending it without taking prep (c) organizing flows/blocks after prep has ceased...more may be added later.

3) Stop asking me if I disclose speaker points. More than half of you don't even disclose your 1NCs. I will subtract speaker points if you ask me and my ballot hasn't already been submitted.

4) Stop throwing all of your arguments at the wall and hoping I work it out for you. Thoughtfully select a strategic end game and present me with a definitive victory path - don't leave it up to me to find it amongst the weeds. Scott Deatherage, late director of Northwestern Debate, says it best:

"CHOOSE. Choose...The first most essential lesson of effective rebutting is choice making. No matter the speech; be it the 1NR or the 2AR or any point in between...Young debaters, so anxious, every argument they think to be important, especially in rebuttals...instead it is the best arguments and the strongest points that make the effective rebutalist the winning champion in the debate...You...must in the end decide on an effective strategy for the judge. Choose for them what is the best avenue to prove conclusively that the coherent set or complete package of arguments you present as a totality in the last speech constitutes a way, a road, an avenue by which they achieve the effective end of concluding for the [aff/neg]."

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General info about me and my feelings about debate:

Some overarching ideas will shape my answer to just about any question you could have about my predispositions: I've been around debate a long time and have judged/coached/debated from just about every angle. I debated at the national level in college (elims at CEDA/NDT). I have a background in policy argument from high school, but shifted very aggressively towards kritikal literature in college...that is to say, I'm receptive and fairly knowledgeable about most approaches to the topic at hand.

I think debate is best when teams effectively clash with each other, so I like when teams prioritize depth over breadth in their strategies and take time to flow/directly engage each others' ideas. I think preparation makes for good debate, so I default to the belief that teams should engage in some form of disclosure (it helped me prep at my small college team, I'm biased). I believe the value of debate comes mostly from the form of analysis it teaches you to make - less so the content of what you are advocating (barring some extreme circumstances). Make your argument as best you can and I will be happy to judge you. I'm not here to tell you what arguments to read.

I tend to be unmotivated to vote on theory - debate should be hard and focused on substantive issues. It's easy to convince me to reject the argument, not the team - so in front of me, you will be better off using theory to close doors on key components of your opponents' strategies. If you plan to go for theory, develop your objection early, rather than starting with a 10 second blip. Theory seems like even more of a cheap shot when it becomes a serious issue only in the last speech.

Bad arguments: Some arguments - impact turns that have "jumped the shark," ASPEC, contrived scenarios, etc. - are just bad (at least I think so). I feel like we all know when it's a bad argument, and if you don't, my reactions will probably make it clear how I feel. I'm likely to intervene or allow a lot of flexibility for your opponents to add arguments in rebuttals against them. "It's not new if it's true!"

Speaker points: I generally range between 28-29.5. Some things (not described in update section) that affect my calculus:

  • Act like you want to be here - after judging several rounds, nothing is more refreshing than watching someone who is passionate, engaged, friendly, etc. I also appreciate humor, and unlike some people, respect the beauty of punny wordplay.
  • I think debate is a communication activity - lack of clarity in terms of speaking style or strategic endpoint will impact your speaker points and my ability to give your argument the consideration it's due. Concerning speed, start at 80% so I can warm up to your voice and ease into full tilt over 30 seconds.
  • I prefer strategic depth over breadth. See rant at top - but in more detail: if starting with several sheets of paper, I'd prefer you resolutely condense the debate to a handful of core issues by the end. Less moving parts = less for me to resolve after the round = less likely I'll have to resolve it for you = more likely you control my perception of what happened in the debate. This also means you need to actively close doors in the last speeches, and I reward debaters who find unique ways to cross-apply concessions to their advantage.
  • AFF side bias/musings of a slighted 2N - I think 2ARs get away with murder when it comes to resuscitating advantages that were completely absent or barely in the 2AC & 1AR. I will have no hesitation to entirely dismiss or assign overwhelmingly low risk to advantages that re-appear/weren't fully developed until the 2AR.
  • I am very open to the idea that there is zero risk of an argument/averse to the ".01% risk of extinction = extinction" form of impact calculus - sometimes, it only takes a smart analytic/CX question about an internal link to get me to reject a preposterous terminal impact. If I'm smirking while flowing, it means you're doing well and can probably expect me to back you up in the post-round.
  • Bad evidence - old man moment: there are so many terrible cards in debate. Speaker points to anyone who publicly shames bad ev & the people that read it.

Small soapbox moment: I try to be attentive to the ways in which normative structures of gender, sexuality, race (and so on) affect student participation in this activity. Debate should be fun, respectful and accessible. Our activity shouldn't lose voices out of a stubborn commitment to remaining aloof of these dynamics, so don't participate in those systems in round and we're good.

I look forward to judging you!
Questions? Email me: dzliles@gmail.com

Full Judging Record

Tournament Date Ev Rd Aff Neg Vote Result
DUDA MS City Championship April 27 4/27/2019 ACX R4 DESA GG George Bannerman Dealey International AW Aff
DUDA HS City Championship April 6 4/6/2019 VCX Rd2 Talented and Gifted Magnet FG Talented and Gifted Magnet NW Aff
DUDA HS City Championship April 6 4/6/2019 VCX Rd1 Talented and Gifted Magnet SW Barack Obama Male Leadership SM Neg
DUDA HS March 2 Tournament 3/2/2019 JVCX RD4 Talented and Gifted Magnet FN Talented and Gifted Magnet HG Neg
Jesuit Debate Invitational 2/8/2019 DUDA RD1 Talented and Gifted Magnet HG Woodrow Wilson HS (Dallas) GH Neg
DUDA HS Fall City Championship 12/15/2018 JVCX Rd3 Skyline HH Talented and Gifted Magnet NW Neg
DUDA HS Fall City Championship 12/15/2018 NCX Rd1 Skyline HM Thomas Jefferson GG Neg
DUDA HS Tournament 2 11/3/2018 VCX Rd4 Barack Obama Male Leadership AC Talented and Gifted Magnet RS Aff
DUDA HS Tournament 2 11/3/2018 JVCX Rd3 Talented and Gifted Magnet GH Spartan SJ Aff
DUDA HS Tournament 2 11/3/2018 VCX Rd1 Irma Rangel YWLS OP Bryan Adams GA Neg
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/12/2018 PD R6 West Des Moines Valley CK Hendrickson CF Neg
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/12/2018 PD R5 Westwood YK Liberal Arts and Science PS Aff
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/12/2018 PD R4 Caddo Magnet RM School of Science and Engineering Magnet LN Aff
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/12/2018 PD R1 St Francis VS Isidore Newman HV Aff
DUDA HS Tournament 1 10/6/2018 JVCX 4 Irma Rangel YWLS/Talented and Gifted Magnet Haggard & Kuppam Talented and Gifted Magnet Walker & Romanoschi Neg
DUDA HS Tournament 1 10/6/2018 JVCX 3 Talented and Gifted Magnet Dudhyala & Shrivathsa Talented and Gifted Magnet Devarakonda & Mancera Aff
DUDA HS Tournament 1 10/6/2018 VCX 2 Talented and Gifted Magnet Osborne & Scholten Bryan Adams Guerra & Camacho Aff
DUDA HS Tournament 1 10/6/2018 VCX 1 Woodrow Wilson HS (Dallas) Goel & Hayler School of Science and Engineering Magnet Rahman & Diaz Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/4/2018 CX Dubs SUUUUUURE LZ Homotopia! SW Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/4/2018 CX R6 Childish Campino RW SUUUUUURE OS Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/4/2018 CX R5 SUUUUUURE BS ALASKA THUNDERFK5000 IM Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/4/2018 CX R2 ALASKA THUNDERFK5000 BS Mediocre White Boys PP Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/4/2018 CX R1 ALASKA THUNDERFK5000 AF Childish Campino MuSo Aff
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD Double St. Andrew's Episcopal IB Edgemont ML Aff Aff on a 3-0
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD Triple Needham ZL Lexington RW Neg Neg on a 2-1
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R6 Lexington JG Bronx HS Of Science AK Aff
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R6 Chaminade AF Evanston Township JA Neg
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R5 Edgemont ED St. Andrew's Episcopal CM Neg
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R5 Lexington PS Hamilton VS Aff
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R4 Lexington NK Needham ZL Neg
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R4 Success Academy Manhattan AB Lexington JM Aff
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R3 Strake Jesuit College Prep CL Cape Elizabeth RS Aff
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R3 Lindale RM Lexington VR Neg
44th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament 2/17/2018 VLD R1 Lovejoy AK Success Academy Manhattan SC Neg
Harvard Round Robin 2/15/2018 LD RR R3 St. Andrew's Episcopal IB Cambridge Rindge and Latin MB Aff Aff on a 2-0
Harvard Round Robin 2/15/2018 LD RR R2 St. Andrew's Episcopal IB Lake Highland Prep MK Aff
Jesuit College Prep Invitiational 2/9/2018 LD Semifi Colleyville Heritage AL Grapevine BZ Aff Aff on a 2-1
Jesuit College Prep Invitiational 2/9/2018 PF Octo Hockaday RS Colleyville Heritage FS Aff
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD MD Success Academy Manhattan TR Greenhill SK Neg Neg on a 3-0
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD PB Winston Churchill WC Newark Science BA Neg Neg on a 3-0
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD RKR Mountain View VP St. Andrew's Episcopal IB Neg Neg on a 3-0
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD WAU Edgemont ML Greenhill SK Neg Neg on a 3-0
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD R5 Christopher Columbus AT Dallastown EW Neg
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD R5 Westwood AG Lexington RW Neg
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD R4 North Mecklenburg LV Lexington VR Neg
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD R4 Grapevine MT Walton JA Aff
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD R3 Dallastown NK Westwood RM Neg
Barkley Forum for High Schools 1/26/2018 LD R3 Colleyville Heritage AL Carroll HS - Southlake SM Neg
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD Qrtrs Allen Homeschool KJ Garland KP Neg Neg on a 3-0
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD Octos Greenhill AZ Grapevine NN Aff
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD R4 Colleyville Heritage CW Grapevine KM Aff
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD R4 Carroll HS - Southlake TR Grapevine RM Aff
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD RD 3 Wylie Sr NK Grapevine IM Aff
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD RD 3 Richardson ED Garland KP Neg
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD RD 2 Lovejoy KC Grapevine HS Neg
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD RD 2 Lake Highlands GG Wylie Sr EA Neg
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD RD 1 Plano West Senior AG Plano Senior AW Aff
Berkner Tournament 12/8/2017 VLD RD 1 Arlington HS Richardson AN Aff
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD Quarte Harvard-Westlake LM Greenhill AM Neg Neg on a 3-0
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD Octas Montgomery AW Greenhill SK Neg Neg on a 3-0
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD Octas Klein NG Harvard-Westlake LM Neg Neg on a 2-1
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD Double Immaculate Heart LM Harvard-Westlake LM Neg Neg on a 2-1
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD Double Greenhill AM Harvard-Westlake JN Aff Aff on a 3-0
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R6 Immaculate Heart LM Greenhill MR Aff
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R5 Harvard-Westlake SP Greenhill AM Neg
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R4 Harvard-Westlake MG Harker AC Neg
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R4 Harker AR Carroll HS - Southlake TP Neg
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R3 Cypress Woods CJ Immaculate Heart DD Neg
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R2 Harvard-Westlake AM Montgomery AW Aff
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R2 Harvard-Westlake WB Kent Denver DT Aff
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R1 Klein NG Harvard-Westlake VC Neg
Heart of Texas Invitational 10/13/2017 LD R1 Harvard-Westlake JN Connally AK Aff
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD Quarte Success Academy Manhattan SC Harvard-Westlake IP Neg Neg on a 3-0
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD Octafi Winston Churchill WC Harvard-Westlake JN Aff Aff on a 2-1
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD Double Immaculate Heart DD Westwood RM Aff Aff on a 3-0
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD R5 Marlborough MC Cypress Woods YW Aff
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD R3 Kinkaid SM Lovejoy KJ Aff
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD R3 Immaculate Heart MC John H Guyer CM Aff
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD R1 Connally SR Christopher Columbus DD Aff
Greenhill Fall Classic 9/16/2017 LD R1 Immaculate Heart DD Alief Taylor SH Aff
Grapevine Classic 9/8/2017 LD Quarte Klein Oak AG Greenhill SK Neg Neg on a 3-0
Grapevine Classic 9/8/2017 LD Double Marcus ST Lovejoy CM Neg Neg on a 2-1
Grapevine Classic 9/8/2017 LD R4 Winston Churchill BR Westwood RS Neg
Grapevine Classic 9/8/2017 LD R2 Trinity AG Klein Oak AG Neg
Grapevine Classic 9/8/2017 LD R2 Greenhill MR Kinkaid JG Aff
Grapevine Classic 9/8/2017 LD R1 Plano East Senior JL Trinity EM Aff
Grapevine Classic 9/8/2017 LD R1 Greenhill MK Clark AJ Aff
National Debate Coaches Association National Championships 4/8/2017 LD Quarte Newark Science DA Greenhill SK Neg Neg on a 3-0
National Debate Coaches Association National Championships 4/8/2017 LD Octas Harker EM Newark Science DA Neg Neg on a 2-1
National Debate Coaches Association National Championships 4/8/2017 LD R6 Greenhill SK Newark Science BA Aff
National Debate Coaches Association National Championships 4/8/2017 LD R3 Harvard-Westlake LM Harker KS Aff
Jesuit College Prep Invitational 2/10/2017 CX Finals Trinity Valley LL Grapevine MW Aff Aff on a 3-0
Jesuit College Prep Invitational 2/10/2017 CX R4 Grapevine TG Greenhill HZ Neg
Jesuit College Prep Invitational 2/10/2017 CX RD 3 St. Mark's School of Texas GT Grapevine SC Neg
Grapevine Classic 9/9/2016 CX R5 Liberal Arts and Science Academy - LBJ AC Cabot SB Aff
Grapevine Classic 9/9/2016 CX R4 College Prep MM Coppell CD Aff
Grapevine Classic 9/9/2016 CX R3 Colleyville Heritage LL Reagan VC Aff
Grapevine Classic 9/9/2016 CX R1 Winston Churchill MW Coppell DP Aff
Showdown 1 7/10/2016 CX Octs Jishn00dlez GN KnightsOfQueenSits WH Neg
Showdown 1 7/10/2016 CX Round INCSEA Bitsy Spiders SC Put some respeK on it JM Aff
Showdown 1 7/10/2016 CX Round Jishn00dlez JW INCSEA Bitsy Spiders SG Aff
Showdown 1 7/10/2016 CX Round ToonSquad RP KnightsOfQueenSits GH Neg
Showdown 1 7/10/2016 CX Round Jishn00dlez MZ KnightsOfQueenSits PS Neg
Showdown 1 7/10/2016 CX Round Put some respeK on it HS INCSEA Bitsy Spiders NT Neg
UTNIF Skills 1 6/30/2016 CX R6 ToonSquad JK ToonSquad BP Aff
UTNIF Skills 1 6/30/2016 CX R4 ToonSquad HP XoxoGossipGirlz DM Neg
UTNIF Skills 1 6/30/2016 CX R3 Put some respeK on it SS Put some respeK on it GD Neg
UTNIF Skills 1 6/30/2016 CX R1 Put some respeK on it PK XoxoGossipGirlz LL Neg
Grapevine Classic 9/11/2015 CX R5 Southlake Carroll PC Round Rock AC Neg
Grapevine Classic 9/11/2015 CX R4 College Prep HW Highland Park (Dallas) EZ Aff
Grapevine Classic 9/11/2015 CX R3 Houston Memorial DG Westwood CL Neg
Grapevine Classic 9/11/2015 CX R1 Ruston FS Moore AH Aff
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/3/2015 CX Qtrs Wu Tangerz RR Wu Tangerz DH Aff Aff on a 2-1
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/3/2015 CX Double Some Cthulhu Deity NU Wu Tangerz GB Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/3/2015 CX R6 #FeelTheBern DG #ThanksObama HW Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/3/2015 CX R5 Wu Tangerz AG #ThanksObama/Bill Russell's Sprouts LA Aff
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/3/2015 CX R4 #FeelTheBern DK #ThanksObama/Bill Russell's Sprouts IB Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/3/2015 CX R2 Bill Russell's Sprouts HU #ThanksObama BW Neg
UTNIF Showdown 2 8/3/2015 CX R1 Wu Tangerz CS Bill Russell's Sprouts CL Neg
UTNIF Skills Tournament 2 7/24/2015 CX R6 #FeelTheBern DG #ThanksObama HH Neg
UTNIF Skills Tournament 2 7/24/2015 CX R5 #ThanksObama SW Bill Russell's Sprouts LK Aff
UTNIF Skills Tournament 2 7/24/2015 CX R4 Bill Russell's Sprouts BT #ThanksObama HV Neg
UTNIF Skills Tournament 2 7/24/2015 CX R3 Bill Russell's Sprouts TO #FeelTheBern DW Aff
UTNIF Skills Tournament 2 7/24/2015 CX R2 #FeelTheBern FM MisanthrophicMedley AH Aff
UTNIF Skills Tournament 2 7/24/2015 CX R1 #FeelTheBern OS #ThanksObama/Bill Russell's Sprouts IB Neg
UTNIF Showdown 1 7/12/2015 CX Qtrs Masty's Mastodons PH Masty's Mastodons CG Neg Neg on a 3-0
UTNIF Showdown 1 7/12/2015 CX Dubs Pedrones ZL Masty's Mastodons WC Neg
UTNIF Showdown 1 7/12/2015 CX Round Pedrones ZL Pedrones LN Aff
UTNIF Showdown 1 7/12/2015 CX Round Masty's Mastodons MD Pedrones SV Aff
UTNIF Showdown 1 7/12/2015 CX Round Mastys Mastodons CrSm Masty's Mastodons LO Neg
UTNIF Showdown 1 7/12/2015 CX Round #Incoherent HM Masty's Mastodons WC Neg
UTNIF Showdown 1 7/12/2015 CX Round Masty's Mastodons PH #Incoherent MG Aff
UTNIF Skills Tournament 1 7/2/2015 CX R4 Trump 2016 BP Trump 2016 BM Neg
UTNIF Skills Tournament 1 7/2/2015 CX R3 Trump 2016 PS Trump 2016 DK Neg
UTNIF Skills Tournament 1 7/2/2015 CX R2 #Incoherent PM Trump 2016 BG Neg
UTD 1/5/2014 NOVICE NOVICE Lindenwood BD Auggie SV Aff Aff on a 2-1
UTD 1/5/2014 OPEN OPEN 7 UCO VY Texas KS Aff
UTD 1/5/2014 OPEN OPEN 6 Trinity VY Wyoming BC Aff
UTD 1/5/2014 OPEN OPEN 5 JCCC SW K-State JS Neg
UTD 1/5/2014 OPEN OPEN 4 WichitaState DS UMKC CJ Aff
UTD 1/5/2014 OPEN OPEN 3 Houston AsBo JCCC GM Neg
UTD 1/5/2014 OPEN OPEN 2 Houston JJ UMKC FW Aff
UTD 1/5/2014 OPEN OPEN 1 Kansas BC Texas CM Neg
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 Trips SanFra AT WicSta DS Neg Neg on a 3-0
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r8 Los Rios BS Minnes EW Neg
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r7 WakFor CW Minnes SS Aff
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r6 103 UniSta MS Aff
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r5 Oklaho BC WebSta OS Aff
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r4 134 100 Aff
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r3 OP Harvard HT Neg
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r2 JamMad BM Los Rios JL Aff
CEDA Nationals at Idaho State University 3/22/2013 0 r1 Texas CM Oklaho LM Neg
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN Semis WestGa GM Texas FS Aff Aff on a 3-0
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN Doubl UMKC AB WestGa GM Neg Neg on a 2-1
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN 7 Oklahoma BY UMKC AB Neg
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN 5 UCO BY Trinity MV Neg
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN 4 UMKC AG Kansas HM Aff
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN 3 WichitaState DS Texas ChMa Neg
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN 2 Towson HW JohCou CP Aff
Fear and loathing in Dallas 1/5/2013 OPEN 1 Baylor BB ISU HO Aff