David Zin Paradigm

Last changed 11/24 2:59P EDT

David Zin

Debate Coach, Okemos High School

dzcmsdebate@yahoo.com

Quick version: If you want to run it, justify it and win it and I'll go for it. I tend to think the resolution is the focus (rather than the plan), but have yet to see a high school round where that was a point with which anybody took issue or advantage. I like succinct tags, but there should be an explanation/warrant or evidence after them. I do pine for the days when debaters would at least say something like "next" when moving from one argument to another. If you run a critical argument, explain it--don't assume I understand the nuances or jargon of your theory. Similarly, the few critical debaters who have delivered succinct tags on their evidence to me have been well-rewarded. Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but I can't flow your 55-70 word tag, and the parts I get might not be the parts you want. I think all four debaters are intelligent beings, so don't be rude to your opponent or your partner, and try not to make c-x a free-for-all, or an opportunity for you to mow over your partner. I like the final rebuttals to compare and evaluate, not just say "we beat on time-frame and magnitude"--give me some explanation, and don't assume you are winning everything on the flow. Anything else, just ask.

The longer version: I'm a dinosaur. I debated in college more than 30 years ago. I coached at Michigan State University for 5 years. I'm old enough I might have coached or debated your parents. I got back into debate because I wanted my children to learn debate.

That history is relevant because I am potentially neither as fast a flow as I used to be (rest assured, you needn't pretend the round is after-dinner speaking) and for years I did not kept pace with many of the argumentative developments that occurred. I know and understand a number of K's, but if you make the assumption I am intimately familiar with some aspect of Kato, Taoism, Heidegger, or whoever, you may not like the results you get. Half the time I still struggle to be conversant about what many of these arguments involve unless somebody prompts me (indigenous peoples and nuclear development, anthropocentrism, tech=evil, etc. is far more informative than simply saying Baudrillard or Zizek). Go for the idea/theme not the author. If you like to use the word "subjectivity" a lot on your K argumentation, you might explain what you mean. Same thing for policy and K debaters alike if they like to argue "violence".

Default Perspective:

Having discussed my inadequacies as a judge, here is my default position for judging rounds: Absent other argumentation, I view the focus of the round as the resolution. The resolution may implicitly shrink to the affirmative if that is the only representation discussed. If I sign the ballot affirmative, I am generally voting to implement the resolution, and if the affirmative is the only representation, then it is as embodied by the plan. However, I like the debaters to essentially have free rein--making me somewhat tabula rosa. So if you prefer a more resolution focus rather than plan focus, I'm there. I also like cases that have essential content and theory elements (stock issues), but if one is missing or bad, the negative needs to bring it up and win it to win. I do generally view my role as a policy maker, in that I am trying to evaluate the merits of a policy that will be applied to the real world--but that evaluation is being done in a format that has strong gamelike aspects and strong "cognitive laboratory" aspects. As such, I will accept counter-intuitive arguments (e.g. extinction is good), planless affs, etc. and vote on them--although you will have to justify/win such an approach if it is challenged and in many cases there is a bit of a natural bias against such arguments.

I say "absent other argumentation" because if you want me to use another process, I all ears. I'm pretty open-minded about arguments (even counter-intuitive ones), so if you want to run something, either theoretical or substantive, justify it, argue it, and if you win it, I'll vote for it.

Weighing Arguments:

The biggest problem I observed when I did judge college rounds, and at the high school level, is that debates about how I should evaluate the round are often incomplete and/or muddled, such as justifying the use of some deontological criteria on utilitarian grounds. While such consequentialism is certainly an option in evaluating deontological positions, I struggle to see how I'm not ultimately just deciding a round on some utilitarian risk-based decision calculus like I would ordinarily use. I've had this statement in my philosophy for years and no one seems to understand it: if I reject cap, or the state, or racism, or violations of human rights, or whatever because it leads to extinction/war/whatever, am I really being deontological--or just letting you access extinction via a perspective. That fine if that's why you want it, but I think it makes "reject every instance" quite difficult, since every instance probably has solvency issues and certainly creates some low internal link probabilities. If you do truly argue something deontologically, having some sort of hierarchy so I can see where the other team's impacts fit would be helpful--especially if they are arguing an deontological position as well. Applying your position might be helpful: think how you would reconcile the classic argument of "you can't have rights if you are dead, yet many have been willing to give their life for rights". Sorting out that statement does an awful lot for you in a deontology vs. utilitarianism round. Why is your argument the case for one or the other?

Given my hypothesis-testing tendencies, conditionality can be fine. However, as indicated above, by default I view the round as a policy-making choice. If you run three conditional counterplans, that's fine but I need to know what they are conditional upon or I don't know what policy I am voting for when I sign the ballot—or if I even need to evaluate them. I prefer, although almost never get it, that conditionality should be based on a substantive argument in the round, preferably a claim the other team made.

Theory and K's:

I can like both theory args, especially T, when the debate unfolds with real analysis, not a ton of 3-5 word tags that people rip through. Theory arguments (including T) can be very rewarding, and often are a place where the best debaters can show their skills. However, debaters often provide poorly developed arguments and the debate often lacks real analysis. I do not like theory arguments that eliminate ground for one side or the other, are patently abusive, or patently time sucks. I like theory arguments but want them treated well.

I'm not a fan of K's, but they definitely have a place in debate. I will vote on one (and have voted for them numerous times) if two things happen: 1) I understand it and 2) you win it. That's a relatively low threshold, but if you babble author names, jargon, or have tags longer than most plans, you make it much harder for me.

Style Stuff:

As for argument preferences, I'll vote on things that do not meet my criteria, although I dislike being put in the position of having to reconcile two incomprehensible positions. I'll vote on anything you can justify and win. If you want me in a specific paradigm, justify it and win that I should use it. I like a 2ar/2nr that ties up loose ends and evaluates--recognizing that they probably aren't winning everything on the flow.

I don't like to ask for cards after the round, or reviewing the evidence in pocketbox, etc. and will not ask for a card I couldn't understand because you were unintelligible. If there is a debate over what a card really says or signifies, or it seems to contain a nuance highlighted in the round that is worth checking, I may take a look at the evidence.

I traditionally rely on providing nonverbal feedback—if I'm not writing anything, or I'm looking at you with a confused expression, I'm probably not getting what you are saying for one reason or another.

Debate is still a communication activity, even if we rip along at several hundred words a minute. If I missed something in your speech, that is your fault--either because you did not emphasize it adequately in the round or you were unintelligible. If you are a gasper, you'll probably get better points if you slow down a bit. I tend to dislike prompting on content, but keeping your partner on pace is fine. I'd prefer you ask/answer your own c-x questions. I like numbering and organization, even though much has apparently died. At this point, even hearing "next" when going to the next tag would be a breath of fresh air (especially when it isn't being read off of a block). Similarly, I'll reward you if you have clear tags that would fit on a bumper sticker I could read without tailgating. Humor is a highly successful way to improve your speaker points. If you are organized, intelligible and funny, the much-sought-after 30 is something I have given. I haven't given many, but that reflects the debaters I've heard, not some unreasonable predisposition or threshold.

If you have questions about anything not on here, just ask.

Full Judging Record

Tournament Date Ev Rd Aff Neg Vote Result
The Regatta 2/7/2020 VCX R4 Von Steuben BD Solorio FR Aff
The Regatta 2/7/2020 VCX R3 Niles West SC Niles North UV Neg
The Regatta 2/7/2020 VCX R2 Von Steuben GV Northside BC Neg
The Regatta 2/7/2020 VCX R1 Glenbrook South AZ Niles West RR Aff
ETHS Superb Owl 1/31/2020 CX Octafi Maine East PP Lindblom Math and Science DS Neg Neg on a 3-0
ETHS Superb Owl 1/31/2020 CX R6 Walter Payton GC Northside CH Aff
ETHS Superb Owl 1/31/2020 CX R2 Glenbrook South KD Northside GT Aff
ETHS Superb Owl 1/31/2020 CX R1 Lane Tech GW New Trier DW Neg
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/23/2019 VCX R7 George Washington SW Wooster VS Aff
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/23/2019 VCX R3 Solorio VG Meadows NY Neg
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/23/2019 VCX R2 Blue Valley Northwest KV West Des Moines Valley LD Aff
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/15/2019 NVP R6 Oakland MR Wylie E. Groves LL Neg Neg on a 3-0
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/15/2019 VP R3 H.H. Dow ST Detroit Country Day LR Aff
Wake Forest Fall Classic 10/26/2019 Var R6 Lexington YS USN BH Neg
Wake Forest Fall Classic 10/26/2019 Var R1 Wylie E. Groves GR Oakland Catholic AS Aff
New York City Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament 10/18/2019 CX Sextos Damien BT Interlake CF Neg Neg on a 3-0
New York City Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament 10/18/2019 CX R6 Calvert Hall BL George Washington RH Neg
New York City Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament 10/18/2019 CX R3 Calvert Hall BM Leon Goldstein MD Aff
New York City Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament 10/18/2019 CX R1 Leon Goldstein UM Mamaroneck BM Aff
Trevian Invitational 10/12/2019 Open R5 Cathedral Prep SV Wylie E. Groves GL Neg
Trevian Invitational 10/12/2019 Open R4 Lexington SY Solorio RR Aff
Trevian Invitational 10/12/2019 Open R3 Walter Payton AL Georgetown Day JL Aff
Trevian Invitational 10/12/2019 Open R1 Lexington JP Oak Park and River Forest EM Aff
Windy City Classic 10/4/2019 VCX VR4 Univ Of Chicago Lab CN Solorio MU Neg
Windy City Classic 10/4/2019 VCX VR2 Maine East VB Jones CL Aff
Windy City Classic 10/4/2019 VCX VR1 Oak Park and River Forest EM Whitney Young GM Neg
Georgetown Day School 9/20/2019 Open Octafi Mamaroneck LR Reagan AB Neg Neg on a 3-0
Georgetown Day School 9/20/2019 Open R7 Oakton HS Independent NB DuVal BT Aff
Georgetown Day School 9/20/2019 Open R6 Strath Haven LR Mamaroneck MM Aff
Georgetown Day School 9/20/2019 Open R2 Calvert Hall BL Pittsburgh Central Catholic HE Aff
Georgetown Day School 9/20/2019 Open R1 McDonogh WM DMV Independent KP Aff
Niles Township Invitational 9/6/2019 VCX Dbls Northside CS Homestead MW Neg Neg on a 3-0
Niles Township Invitational 9/6/2019 VCX R6 Von Steuben BG Northside CW Neg
Niles Township Invitational 9/6/2019 VCX R5 KIS KC Northside TW Neg
Niles Township Invitational 9/6/2019 VCX R4 Maine East BS Solorio VM Neg
Niles Township Invitational 9/6/2019 VCX R1 Homestead KW Glenbrook South FL Neg
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/1/2019 CX Quarte Strath Haven DP Lexington LL Aff Aff on a 3-0
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/1/2019 CX R5 Lexington LZ Hunter AJ Aff
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/1/2019 CX R2 Mamaroneck KR Unionville KL Neg
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/1/2019 CX R1 Stuyvesant FC Thomas Jefferson KV Neg
MIFA Debate State Finals 12/14/2018 N POL Npol4 East Kentwood JH Detroit Country Day PW Neg
MIFA Debate State Finals 12/14/2018 V POL Vpol3 Cody Medicine and Health MT Detroit Country Day FLNR Neg
MIFA Debate State Finals 12/14/2018 N POL Npol2 Wylie E. Groves GGW H.H. Dow WB Aff
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/17/2018 VCX R7 Oak Hall SG Edina BS Neg
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/17/2018 VCX R5 Edina YY Wooster SW Aff
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/17/2018 VCX R3 H.H. Dow SW Ronald Reagan CP SR Neg
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/2/2018 VP R7 Detroit Country Day NA H.H. Dow SW Neg Neg on a 2-1
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/2/2018 VP R6 H.H. Dow SW Detroit Country Day SR Aff Aff on a 3-0
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/2/2018 NVP R5 Detroit Country Day/Padre Pio PF Wylie E. Groves GG Neg
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/2/2018 VP R3 Detroit Country Day NA H.H. Dow DV Aff
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/2/2018 VP R2 H.H. Dow SW Detroit Country Day LM Aff
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/2/2018 VP R1 Detroit Country Day NH Traverse City Central OF Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/24/2018 VCX R7 DMV Independent AK H.H. Dow SW Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/24/2018 JRR RR7 Whitney Young Henry Mitchell & Jeremy Margolin Maine East Parth Shah & Nicole Sobski Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/24/2018 JRR RR5 Little Rock Central Nicole Doris & Joelle Fahoum Lexington Rayhan Ahmed & Ria Bhandarkar Neg
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/24/2018 VCX R5 Detroit Country Day FB Little Rock Central RS Neg
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/24/2018 SRR RR4 Paideia Thuan Tran & Joshua Harrington Solorio Kelvin Castro & Amado Candelario Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/24/2018 VCX R3 Wylie E. Groves BR St Ignatius NC Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/24/2018 JRR RR2 Solorio Brandon Martinez & Jenny Vazquez Niles North Lauren Sonnier & Hajirah Khan Neg
Wake Forest Fall Classic 10/20/2018 Var R5 Wylie E. Groves BR Niles West LB Aff
Wake Forest Fall Classic 10/20/2018 Var R3 USN CH Lexington KF Neg
New York City Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament 10/12/2018 CX R3 Lexington ZL Damien BT Neg
New York City Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament 10/12/2018 CX R2 Bronx HS Of Science LC Lexington BY Neg
New York City Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament 10/12/2018 CX R1 Bronx HS Of Science MC Wayzata Independent CM Neg
Georgetown Day School Invitational 9/28/2018 CX Octafi McDonogh ZW Thomas Jefferson HSST MD Neg Neg on a 3-0
Georgetown Day School Invitational 9/28/2018 CX R6 Pittsburgh Central Catholic HE DuVal RH Aff
Georgetown Day School Invitational 9/28/2018 CX R5 Thomas Jefferson HSST BY Charles Flowers PS Aff
Georgetown Day School Invitational 9/28/2018 CX R4 Bowie TT Pine Crest Prep EP Neg
Georgetown Day School Invitational 9/28/2018 CX R1 Thomas Jefferson HSST PY Baltimore City PG Aff
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/2/2018 CX Octos North Star DY Lexington AC Neg Neg on a 2-1
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/2/2018 CX R5 Thomas Jefferson JM Bronx Science CR Aff
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/2/2018 CX R3 Lexington MW Thomas Jefferson PY Aff
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/2/2018 CX R2 Woodgrove SC Mamaroneck SR Aff
Pennsbury Falcon Invitational 2/2/2018 CX R1 Thomas Jefferson AK Brooklyn Technical RW Neg
MIFA Debate State Finals 12/8/2017 V POL Semis H.H. Dow DW Detroit Country Day GX Neg Neg on a 3-0
MIFA Debate State Finals 12/8/2017 V POL Varsit Detroit Cristo Rey DG Detroit Country Day GX Neg Neg on a 2-0
MIFA Debate State Finals 12/8/2017 N POL Novice Detroit Cristo Rey PS H.H. Dow HP Neg
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/18/2017 VCX R7 St. Ignatius CP CR Mukwonago MW Aff
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/18/2017 VCX R6 Munster PD Boston Latin FM Aff
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/18/2017 VCX R5 Desert Vista AW Chicago Lab LP Neg
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/18/2017 VCX R1 Detroit Country Day GR Stuyvesant SD Neg
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 11/1/2017 VCX R7 Lane Tech MC Westminster IM Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 11/1/2017 VCX R5 Glenbrook South BF Whitmer IZ Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 11/1/2017 VCX R2 St Ignatius Cleveland NV Wylie E. Groves BM Neg
West Bloomfield Debate Invitational 9/29/2017 PolOp R2 Detroit Country Day GR H.H. DowWW Aff
West Bloomfield Debate Invitational 9/29/2017 PolOp R1 Detroit Country DayNN Wylie E. GrovesSR Aff
Niles Township Invitational 9/8/2017 POL Octas Chicago Lab LP Northside CP OP Neg Neg on a 2-1
Niles Township Invitational 9/8/2017 POL Dbls Evanston Twp LC Glenbrook North KR Aff Neg on a 2-1
Niles Township Invitational 9/8/2017 POL Rd 6 Glenbrook South KA Northside CP RS Neg
Niles Township Invitational 9/8/2017 POL Rd 4 Glenbrook South BF Evanston Twp LC Neg
Niles Township Invitational 9/8/2017 POL Rd 3 Chicago Lab HU Glenbrook South YP Aff
Niles Township Invitational 9/8/2017 POL Rd 2 Glenbrook South KB Chicago Lab CS Aff
Niles Township Invitational 9/8/2017 POL Rd 1 Glenbrook South HK Glenbrook North JK Neg
MIFA Varsity Debate State Finals 17 1/6/2017 VPol R6 Portage Northern DD Traverse City Central FM Neg Neg on a 3-0
MIFA Varsity Debate State Finals 17 1/6/2017 VPol R3 H.H. Dow DP Wylie E. Groves AC Aff Aff on a 2-0
MIFA Varsity Debate State Finals 17 1/6/2017 VPol R1 Traverse City Central FM Detroit Country Day OT Aff Aff on a 2-0
MIFA Novice Debate State Finals 17 12/9/2016 NPol Semis West Bloomfield B H.H. Dow A Aff Neg on a 2-1
MIFA Novice Debate State Finals 17 12/9/2016 NPol R5 Petoskey A West Bloomfield B Neg
MIFA Novice Debate State Finals 17 12/9/2016 NPol R2 H.H. Dow B Kingsley A Aff
MIFA Novice Debate State Finals 17 12/9/2016 NPol R1 Wylie E. Groves A H.H. Dow A Neg
2016 Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/19/2016 NCXRR R7 Cedar Rapids Washington ST New Trier AB Neg
2016 Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/19/2016 NCXRR R6 Dowling Catholic WH Barstow MY Aff Aff on a 2-0
2016 Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/19/2016 NCXRR R5 Wayzata LC Notre Dame HS - Sherman Oaks KO Aff Aff on a 2-0
2016 Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/19/2016 NCXRR R4 Maine East SP Wayzata KR Neg Neg on a 2-0
2016 Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/19/2016 NCXRR R3 West Des Moines Valley SS Niles West SA Neg Neg on a 2-0
2016 Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/19/2016 NCXRR R2 Berkeley Prep WS College Prep JR Aff
2016 Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament 11/19/2016 NCXRR R1 Cypress Bay SS Heritage Hall SN Aff Aff on a 2-0
Dexter Delight 11/11/2016 PolNo R5 Kingsley DA H.H. Dow JY Aff
Dexter Delight 11/11/2016 PolNo R4 Wylie E. Groves BS H.H. Dow MS Neg
Dexter Delight 11/11/2016 PolOp R3 Detroit Country Day SF H.H. Dow DP Neg
Dexter Delight 11/11/2016 PolOp R2 H.H. Dow GY Wayland HW Aff
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/4/2016 VP R6 Detroit Country Day VX Portage Northern DP Aff Neg on a 2-1
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/4/2016 VP R3 Detroit Country Day BS Mona Shores BM Neg
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/4/2016 VP R2 Portage Northern DP West Bloomfield high school AN Aff
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/4/2016 NVP R1 H.H. Dow MY West Ottawa LG Neg
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 NCX Semis Westminster Schools AB Glenbrook North NO Aff Aff on a 3-0
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 VCX R7 Wylie E. Groves BM Lexington BB Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 VCX R6 Walter Payton WW New Trier GN Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 VCX R5 Mountain Brook HC Glenbrook South BG Neg
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 VCX R4 Hawken LY Little Rock Central JJ Aff
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 VCX R3 Wylie E. Groves AC Mona Shores KB Neg
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 VCX R2 Glenbrook South BS Montgomery Bell CJ Neg
University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament 10/26/2016 VCX R1 Bellarmine SP Mona Shores SB Aff
West Bloomfield High School Policy Debate Tournament 9/30/2016 OPN R5 Detroit Country Day SV Mona Shores BW Aff
West Bloomfield High School Policy Debate Tournament 9/30/2016 OPN R3 Detroit Country Day MO Wylie E. Groves AC Aff
West Bloomfield High School Policy Debate Tournament 9/30/2016 OPN R2 Traverse City Central CM Loyola HS of Detroit MW Aff
MIFA Varsity Debate State Finals 1/8/2016 VPol R5 Petoskey Portage Northern Neg Neg on a 2-0
MIFA Novice States 12/11/2015 NPol R7 HH Dow A Traverse City Central A Aff Aff on a 3-0
MIFA Novice States 12/11/2015 NPol R6 Portage Northern A HH Dow A Neg Neg on a 3-0
MIFA Novice States 12/11/2015 NPol R4 Portage Northern A Gaylord A Aff
MIFA Novice States 12/11/2015 NPol R2 Petoskey A Wylie E Groves A Neg
MIFA Novice States 12/11/2015 NPol R1 Detroit Country Day A Traverse City Central A Aff
The Glenbrooks 11/21/2015 VCX R7 South Eugene LS Woodward AS Neg
The Glenbrooks 11/21/2015 VCX R6 Berkeley Preparatory SS Evanston FJ Neg
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/13/2015 VP R8 H.H. Dow US Traverse City Central AF Aff Aff on a 2-1
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/13/2015 NVP R7 Seaholm CC Petoskey FM Aff Aff on a 3-0
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/13/2015 VP R6 H.H. Dow US Detroit Country Day SB Aff Aff on a 3-0
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/13/2015 NVP R3 Detroit Country Day NN H.H. Dow MY Neg
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/13/2015 VP R2 Portage Northern PG Traverse City Central AF Neg
Groves Falcon Invitational 11/13/2015 VP R1 Traverse City Central GK Petoskey EB Neg
University Prep Panther Classic 11/6/2015 OPN R3 Petoskey JE Oakw WP Neg
University Prep Panther Classic 11/6/2015 OPN R2 ArbPrep KV WestBloom HH Neg
University Prep Panther Classic 11/6/2015 OPN R1 Petoskey BE DCD VX Aff
University of Michigan HS Tournament 11/1/2013 VCX R7 Wylie E. Groves OR Detroit Community HS Hurricane DS Aff
University of Michigan HS Tournament 11/1/2013 VCX R6 Portage Northern AW H.H. Dow HH Aff
University of Michigan HS Tournament 11/1/2013 VCX R5 Walter Payton CP BC Phoenix Military Acdemy ET Aff
University of Michigan HS Tournament 11/1/2013 VCX R4 Detroit Country Day YH Detroit Community HS Hurricane MB Aff
University of Michigan HS Tournament 11/1/2013 VCX R3 Detroit Country Day AB Oakwood GO Neg
University of Michigan HS Tournament 11/1/2013 VCX R2 Mona Shores EW H.H. Dow CP Aff
University of Michigan HS Tournament 11/1/2013 NCX R1 H.H. Dow SS Iowa City West LC Aff
Spartan Classic 2012 11/30/2012 Var Quarte TCC TT WesBloCK Aff Aff on a 3-0
Spartan Classic 2012 11/30/2012 JV 5 TCC BE FHC ET Neg
Spartan Classic 2012 11/30/2012 JV 4 GBN DO WesBloWW Neg
Spartan Classic 2012 11/30/2012 JV 3 GBN LZ Dow MP Aff
Spartan Classic 2012 11/30/2012 JV 3 GBS CO WesBloOR Aff
Spartan Classic 2012 11/30/2012 Var 2 DCD SY GBS BH Neg