Mateen Shah Paradigm

Last changed 2/5 10:11A CDT

My Debate Experience:

I debated for 4 years in high school, graduating in 2012. I was not involved in the activity from 2012-15. I've been an assistant coach at Wichita East (Kansas) since Summer 2016. I usually judge ~2 varsity tournaments per month between September and January. I regularly cut CPs, case negs, and DA updates for my teams.

email: mateen.shah (at) gmail

Please make the subject line of the email chain: "[Tournament Name] [Round Number] --- [AFF School + Code] vs [NEG School + Code]" and not "r1" or "1ac."

Short version:

I mostly judge/coach/understand traditional policy args. I don't dislike critical args, but I am less familiar with them, so my threshold for voting on them is higher than traditional args. I aspire to be the type of judge who says "do what you do best," but I'm not there yet. I care infinitely more about how you make your argument than the content of your argument. I don't think I know a lot, but I try to be honest about my limitations.

The most frustrating part about coaching for me has been when judges give my debaters 2-3 sentence RFDs, and then they proceed to act annoyed/disinterested when my debaters ask follow-up questions or for guidance regarding arguments that weren't in the 2NR/2AR. Debaters work hard and deserve thoughtful feedback. Too often judges are lazy and disengaged, or opt to withhold advice because they want their own teams to have a strategic advantage in later debates. I will never behave like this post-round.

I sometimes have trouble in the 1AR and 2NR distinguishing between new args and new application of earlier args. It helps me out a lot when you justify your new stuff, explain why your stuff isn't new, and/or call out when the other team says new stuff.

Long version:

Speed: I don't care if everything you're reading is in a speech doc. You should still be clear and go slower during overviews/tags/analytics. I use speech docs primarily to read advocacy texts, look at contested ev during cx/prep, and/or to check for clipping.

Condo: Bad for condo debates. Since I began judging in 2016, I've heard one 2AR on condo. It was a really good 2AR. I voted neg.

T: I don't think I'm a good judge for technical T debates. A big part of this is that T debate are too quick and/or I'm bad at flowing T. TVAs, case lists, intent to define and specific DA/CP ground loss are all persuasive. I don't have a strong preference regarding competing interps vs reasonability.

CP: Read CP texts slower. I think judge kick is my default, and I'm probably a bad judge for judge kick debates. I am open to amendments and 2NC CPs, and their respective theory args.

K: If your go-to strat is a 1-off K, you shouldn't pref me. I don't know very much (any) critical lit. In the rounds where I've voted for Ks, the K was relatively simple and/or the aff overwhelmingly lost the framework debate. I'm most comfortable judging epistemology Ks and least comfortable with ontology and pomo Ks.

Judge instruction, historical examples, and simple overviews make these debates much easier for me to follow. Tell me about the world of the alt and why it's incompatible with the aff.

2As that perm Ks should do more than say "do both" and expect me to figure out what that means. Give me a sentence or two about how/why the perm solves the link, read a card, and/or tell me about the world of the perm in the 2AC.

Links of omission and reject alts are unpersuasive.

If I'm unfamiliar with your K, I'm usually reading that ev during cx or prep. If I think your explanation of K (usually the alt) either isn't grounded in the ev that you're reading or is otherwise incoherent, I'm very hesitant voting for you, even if the other team doesn't explicitly make those args.

K affs: I am open to hearing K affs, but I have little experience in these debates. My lack of exposure means that I've had little time to formulate extensive thoughts. Clash and fairness seem most persuasive. I think aff argument's about their model of debate are more persuasive than impact turns.

Case: I think I may have a higher standard for what constitutes a sufficient case extension than other judges. Under most circumstances, I need at least 2 sentences about how the aff resolves its internal links in the 2AC, 1AR, and 2AR. Listing your harms isn't good enough. If the neg has to extend more than their DA impact, so do you. Something like, "The aff ends arm sales, that results in y, which resolves z" is all I want. Too many teams get lazy and ONLY say things like "1% risk of solvency means you vote aff" or "it's try or die for the aff." These are sufficiency framing args, not case extensions. Tell me why you get to that 1%.

Speaker points: Things that I consider when deciding speaker points (in no particular order): effort, clarity, arg quality, ev quality, CX quality, speech doc organization, are you stealing prep, strategic kicks, demeanor during the round (to your opponents and partner,) ability to send an email, whether you're flowing.

Prep: It's never acceptable to use remaining cx time as prep. Asking what cards were/weren't read in a doc is always prep. Please stop asking questions after cx time is up.

Misc info: You should absolutely have an up-to-date wiki if you're competing at a TOC bid tournament. You should probably have an up-to-date wiki if you're competing in the varsity division at any Kansas tournament. Pre-tournament prep is good. Clash is good.

I am intentionally expressionless during rounds. I'm surprised more judges aren't--I think it's blatant intervention for judges to have physical reactions to arguments they like/dislike. It's also extremely condescending when judges vigorously shake their heads and sigh loudly. Don't adjust your strategy because you think you have a read on my facial expression/body language. I don't make a lot of eye contact.

An argument is only as good as your cx explanation. For example, if the neg reads a CP with an external DA net benefit, and during 1NC cx the neg team is unable to explain why the DA doesn't link to their CP, then I will not consider that DA to be the net benefit for the rest of the round. I will automatically disregard any later explanation of why the CP does not link. I apply this standard to all arguments. If you can't explain your "we meet" in cx, you don't get to magically figure it out during your rebuttals.

There's a distinction between spin and making an argument that's not grounded in your evidence. If you're doing the latter, I'm likely going to ignore whatever you're saying.

I think zero risk exists. For example, if the aff's only response to "this advantage has no internal link" is "it's try or die," I'll vote neg and blame the aff for everyone dying. You shouldn't get a W for reading a 1AC with an impact. Also, more teams should lose for writing terrible affs.

I don't think presumption ever flips. The greater the number of unresolved issues in the 2NR/2AR, the more inclined I am to vote on presumption even if the neg does not explicitly make a presumption arg.

I've voted on clipping each season I've judged, regardless of whether the opposing team has called it out.

I'm currently a law student, which definitely colors my reading of Court Affs/CPs/DAs. Practically, I think this means I'm more likely to be persuaded by defense (truth > tech) because internal links are often incomplete/wrong, and plan/CP texts never make any sense.

2As lie soooo much in the 2AR, and 2Ns don't anticipate/pre-empt often enough. Say stuff like, "The 1AR didn't extend a warrant for the link turn--they can't extend it in the 2AR."

Full Judging Record

Tournament Date Ev Rd Aff Neg Vote Result
KCKCC DCI TOC Policy Qualifier 11/1/2019 DCI Octos Barstow Noah Waldman & Meghana Lakkireddy Mill Valley Travis Babcock & Thomas Babcock Aff Aff on a 3-0
KCKCC DCI TOC Policy Qualifier 11/1/2019 DCI Double Mill Valley Adam White & Tanner Smith Blue Valley Southwest Kristina Wu & Ben Ziegelman Aff Aff on a 3-0
KCKCC DCI TOC Policy Qualifier 11/1/2019 DCI R6 Eisenhower Leah Werth & Mathew Grossman Washburn Rural Alivia Cook & Nicolas Navarro Aff
KCKCC DCI TOC Policy Qualifier 11/1/2019 DCI R5 Kapaun Mount Carmel Margaret Moore & Ben Wemhoff Olathe East Teagan Townsend & Aryana Booth Neg
KCKCC DCI TOC Policy Qualifier 11/1/2019 DCI R3 Washburn Rural Petre Dimitriu & Emma Schroeder Blue Valley North Kelsie Fisher & Anushka Valsan Neg
KCKCC DCI TOC Policy Qualifier 11/1/2019 Nov R1 Barstow Aishi Sethi & Anita Mohan Derby Joshua Hassell & Jacob Vazquez Neg
JW Patterson Invitational 10/12/2019 VCX Octas Notre Dame KS Blue Valley Southwest HP Aff Neg on a 2-1
JW Patterson Invitational 10/12/2019 VCX Partia Notre Dame DN Blue Valley Northwest BS Aff Aff on a 2-1
JW Patterson Invitational 10/12/2019 VCX R5 Topeka BJ Lawrence Free State BH Neg
JW Patterson Invitational 10/12/2019 VCX R4 Bentonville HD Crossings Christian NB Neg
JW Patterson Invitational 10/12/2019 VCX R3 Moore SL Barstow GA Aff
JW Patterson Invitational 10/12/2019 VCX R2 Caddo Magnet KL Barstow EC Aff
JW Patterson Invitational 10/12/2019 VCX R1 Caddo Magnet WW Union WM Neg
Blue Valley Southwest 9/27/2019 Var R6 Blue Valley North FV Blue Valley Northwest BM Aff
Blue Valley Southwest 9/27/2019 Var R5 Washburn Rural PR Blue Valley Northwest RX Neg
Blue Valley Southwest 9/27/2019 Var R4 Blue Valley West Jaguars ZS Olathe East TB Neg
Blue Valley Southwest 9/27/2019 Var R3 Trinity BK Lansing KS Neg
Blue Valley Southwest 9/27/2019 Var R2 Lawrence Free State BB Washburn Rural DJ Aff
Blue Valley Southwest 9/27/2019 Var R1 Mill Valley BaRe Washburn Rural DS Neg
ONW Forensics Invitational NIETOC 3/1/2019 LD R4 8 SW 7 WS Aff
ONW Forensics Invitational NIETOC 3/1/2019 LD R3 12 TD 20 JA Neg
ONW Forensics Invitational NIETOC 3/1/2019 LD R2 8 ML 11 NG Aff
ONW Forensics Invitational NIETOC 3/1/2019 LD R1 8 SY 25 NW Aff
Wichita East Forensics Invitational 2/8/2019 Op LD R3 AD 1564 CC 1552 Aff
Kansas Championship Series 1/4/2019 NOVOP R6 Topeka West GU Garden City CS Neg
Kansas Championship Series 1/4/2019 NOV R5 Bishop Seabury BH Blue Valley North MK Neg
Kansas Championship Series 1/4/2019 NOV R4 Hutchinson PF Blue Valley West BW Neg
Kansas Championship Series 1/4/2019 NOV R3 Garden City VS Blue Valley North VU Neg
Kansas Championship Series 1/4/2019 NOV R2 Ellinwood RH Ulysses HO Aff
Kansas Championship Series 1/4/2019 NOV R1 Emporia GE SJA RF Aff
East Kansas District Tournament 12/7/2018 CX R7 P Yost-Wolff & Lillich H Cornell & Headley Aff Aff on a 5-0
East Kansas District Tournament 12/7/2018 CX R5 P Vereen & Sommerville N Babcock & Babcock Aff Aff on a 3-0
East Kansas District Tournament 12/7/2018 CX R4 N Owsley & McLeod E Horner & Witbrod Aff Aff on a 3-0
East Kansas District Tournament 12/7/2018 CX R2 P Huffman & Brandenburger B Bledsoe & Semrick Neg Neg on a 3-0
J Matt Hill Invitational at Topeka High School 11/16/2018 DCI Semis Washburn Rural KD Lawrence Free State SV Aff Aff on a 2-1
J Matt Hill Invitational at Topeka High School 11/16/2018 DCI R4 Washburn Rural RS Olathe East TB Neg
J Matt Hill Invitational at Topeka High School 11/16/2018 SBO Semis Blue Valley North BL Shawnee Mission East LU Neg Neg on a 2-1
KCKCC TOC DCI Qualifier 11/2/2018 DCI Double Blue Valley North Kelsie Fisher & Anushka Valsan Blue Valley West Seena Saiedian & Vineet Tallavajhala Neg Neg on a 2-1
KCKCC TOC DCI Qualifier 11/2/2018 DCI R6 Blue Valley Southwest Chloe Shi & Kassandra Wu SF Roosevelt David Wells & Peter Moriarty Neg
KCKCC TOC DCI Qualifier 11/2/2018 DCI R5 Blue Valley Southwest Karthik Sathish & Alex Swanson Lawrence Free State Timothy Huffman & Gwendolyn Elo Aff
KCKCC TOC DCI Qualifier 11/2/2018 DCI R4 Washburn Rural Grace Kessler & Raina Peter Derby Brianna Hassell & Kya Nethercot Aff
KCKCC TOC DCI Qualifier 11/2/2018 DCI R3 Kapaun Mount Carmel Madeline Rowley & Margaret Moore Blue Valley West Seena Saiedian & Vineet Tallavajhala Neg
KCKCC TOC DCI Qualifier 11/2/2018 DCI R2 Shawnee Mission East Jet Semrick & Luke Bledsoe Eisenhower Mathew Grossman & Austin Stiffler Neg
KCKCC TOC DCI Qualifier 11/2/2018 DCI R1 Lawrence Free State Savana Williams & Ethan Harris SF Roosevelt Engie Wong & Rylie Torguson Neg
Blue Valley Southwest Invitational 9/28/2018 Octos LanSr AC BVN AL Neg Neg on a 2-1
Blue Valley Southwest Invitational 9/28/2018 R6 BVN CI LawFre YL Neg
Blue Valley Southwest Invitational 9/28/2018 R4 OlaEas TM LawFre WB Neg
Blue Valley Southwest Invitational 9/28/2018 R3 LawFre BB SME LU Neg
Blue Valley Southwest Invitational 9/28/2018 R2 LawFre GH WaRu KS Neg
Mid America Cup 9/21/2018 Pol Octos Washburn Rural BP Niles West FW Aff Aff on a 3-0
Mid America Cup 9/21/2018 Pol R6 Wayzata PY Niles West PS Aff
Mid America Cup 9/21/2018 Pol R5 Blue Valley Southwest LS Wayzata LN Aff
Mid America Cup 9/21/2018 Pol R3 Rosemount HJ Wayzata HR Neg
Mid America Cup 9/21/2018 Pol R2 Stevens Point Area Senior High (SPASH) GS Niles West FW Neg
Mid America Cup 9/21/2018 Pol R1 Washington SS Niles West QD Aff
Washburn Rural Debate Invitational 9/14/2018 VADB8 R6 Maize LY BV North HS Neg
Washburn Rural Debate Invitational 9/14/2018 VADB8 R5 Mill Valley WS SM West WW Aff
Washburn Rural Debate Invitational 9/14/2018 VADB8 R3 SM South TS Lawrence RV Neg
Washburn Rural Debate Invitational 9/14/2018 VADB8 R1 BV North AV Derby DH Neg
NCFL Grand Nationals 5/26/2018 CX R5 120 167 Aff Aff on a 2-1
NCFL Grand Nationals 5/26/2018 CX R3 187 144 Neg Neg on a 3-0
NCFL Grand Nationals 5/26/2018 CX R2 131 158 Aff Neg on a 2-1
NCFL Grand Nationals 5/26/2018 CX R1 173 196 Aff Aff on a 2-1
The Sunflower Invitational 2018 1/5/2018 NOV SFs SM West WW Olathe East TL Aff Aff on a 2-1
The Sunflower Invitational 2018 1/5/2018 NOVOP QFs SM South RT BV Northwest SB Neg Neg on a 3-0
The Sunflower Invitational 2018 1/5/2018 NOV R5 Manhattan JB BV Northwest YM Neg
The Sunflower Invitational 2018 1/5/2018 NOV R4 BV Southwest EV Campus LH Aff
The Sunflower Invitational 2018 1/5/2018 NOVOP R3 BV Southwest PS Olathe East MS Neg
The Sunflower Invitational 2018 1/5/2018 NOVOP R1 Washburn Rural MR Olathe North LS Aff
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 DCI Octos Little Rock Central Sakshi Garg & Valorie Lam Shawnee Mission Northwest Julian Kuffour & Emmanuel Osei Neg Neg on a 3-0
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 DCI Double Blue Valley North Max Indiveri & Chris Lucas Lawrence Free State Li Gordon-Washington & Maxwell Lillich Neg Neg on a 3-0
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 Nov R6 Barstow Tommy Cuezze & Mark Lopatofsky Blue Valley Southwest Kristina Wu & Owen Li Aff
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 Nov R5 Maize Amanda Branom & Jeannine Lopez Barstow Phoebe Brous & Jacqueline Tingle Neg
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 DCI R4 Maize Hayley Tice & Hannah Piros Blue Valley Southwest Max McCarty & Eli Pieper Neg
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 Nov R3 Derby Jackson Davis & Jack Sallman Barstow Meghana Lakkireddy & Joe Sheeran Neg
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 DCI R2 Jenks Anna Boals & Max Jenkins Blue Valley Southwest Maverick Edwards & Nick Castle Neg
KCKCC TOC Qualifier 11/3/2017 DCI R1 Barstow Kate English & Kelsie Jackson Blue Valley Southwest Ted Shi & Anna Lee Neg
National Speech and Debate Tournament 6/19/2017 IPF Quarte 45N307 02N287 Neg Aff on a 2-1
KCKCC DCI TOC Qualifier 11/4/2016 DCI Double Millard North Kriz & Potineni Barstow Fitzpatrick & Fussell Neg Neg on a 3-0
KCKCC DCI TOC Qualifier 11/4/2016 DCI R6 Barstow Dunn & Nalamachu Lawrence Free State Lillich & Sommerville Aff
KCKCC DCI TOC Qualifier 11/4/2016 DCI R5 Shawnee Mission East Hassett & Massa Shawnee Mission Northwest Kuffour & Ottinger Neg
KCKCC DCI TOC Qualifier 11/4/2016 DCI R4 Shawnee Mission Northwest Gruman & Kantner Shawnee Mission East Roberts & Diehl Neg
KCKCC DCI TOC Qualifier 11/4/2016 Nov R3 Washburn Rural Crater & Babin Kapaun Mount Carmel Magana & Moore Neg
KCKCC DCI TOC Qualifier 11/4/2016 DCI R2 Sumner Lowe & Murguia Kapaun Mount Carmel Phillips & Wong Neg
KCKCC DCI TOC Qualifier 11/4/2016 DCI R1 Shawnee Mission Northwest Ellis & Marvine Blue Valley Southwest Edwards & Kathol Neg
Kapaun Crusader Classic 10/28/2016 DCI R7 103 AC 131 MB Aff Aff on a 3-0
Kapaun Crusader Classic 10/28/2016 DCI R6 104 WH 103 KK Neg
Kapaun Crusader Classic 10/28/2016 DCI R5 122 DR 104 KH Neg
Kapaun Crusader Classic 10/28/2016 DCI R4 131 GJ 109 GH Neg
Kapaun Crusader Classic 10/28/2016 DCI R3 122 WZ 105 HS Aff
Kapaun Crusader Classic 10/28/2016 DCI R2 104 PB 121 HR Neg