Lily Ottinger Paradigm

Last changed 11 April 2021 1:29 PM CDT

Email chain: lily.coaches.debate@gmail.com

About:

  • Current policy debater at the University of Kansas (2017-present, Healthcare, Executive Authority, Space, Alliances). In university I study mathematics and Russian.
  • 4 years of high school policy debate at Shawnee Mission Northwest (2013-2017, Latin America, Oceans, Surveillance, China)

Top:

  • Please don't call me "judge." It's tacky. My name is Lily.
  • Cross-x isn't "closed," nobody ever "closed" it... BUT each debater should be a primary participant in 2 cross-xes if your goal is to avoid speaker point penalties.
  • I would prefer to not judge death/suffering/extinction good arguments or arguments about something that happened outside the debate.
  • I will give you a 29 if you show me that you’re smart. I might give you a 30 if I think you're the best debater at the tournament.

Framework:

  • Luv clash debates. I've been on both sides, but recently I only do policy things. I'm more likely to vote aff on impact turns than most policy judges, but I do see a lot of value in the preservation of competition. Procedural fairness can be an impact if you explain yourself well, but I think in a lot of circumstances a clash impact is a cleaner kill.
  • TVAs don't have to solve the whole aff. I like TVAs with solvency advocates. I think it's beneficial when the 2NC lays out some examples of neg strategies that could be read against the TVA, and why those strategies produce educational debates.

Topicality vs policy affs:

  • Speaker point boost if your 2NC has a grammar argument.
  • If you're aff and going for reasonability, "race to the bottom" isn't super compelling. Make arguments about debatability instead.
  • Case lists are good.
  • The presence of other negative positions is not defense to a ground argument. The aff being disclosed is not defense to a limits argument.

Counterplans

  • When people refer to counterplans by saying the letters "CP" out loud it makes me wish I were dead.
  • As a human I think counterplans that advocate immediate, indefinite, non-plan action by the USFG are legit, but as a judge I'm chaotic neutral on all theory questions if there's an argument made about it.
  • Conditionality- again, chaotic neutral. I'll give you a speaker point boost if you can tell me how many 2NRs are possible given the number of counterplan planks in the 1NC.

Disads

  • Read them
  • I like politics disads a lot. This isn't ideological- I just think they're fun. Make arguments about the math behind polls.

Ks

  • Explain how the alt solves the links and why the perm doesn't.
  • Affs should explain why "moots 1AC" is a bad model. Negs should explain why the links justify mooting the aff.
  • Case outweighs 2ARs are very persuasive. The neg can beat this with discrete impacts to specific links+impact framing/framework.
  • Speaker point penalty if the 1AR drops fiat is illusory.

Lincoln-Douglas:

  • If there is no net benefit to a counterplan, presumption flips aff. This is a community standard. If you want the debate evaluated differently, make an argument about why.
  • I do not think permutations are cheating.
  • An argument is a claim and a warrant. If you say something that does not contain a warrant, I will not necessarily vote on it even if it's dropped. In the interest of preventing judge intervention, please say things that have warrants.
  • Most neg theory arguments I've watched would go away instantly if affs said "counter interpretation: we have to be topical."
  • RVIs do not make sense. Topicality is never a reason to vote affirmative. The fact that a counterplan is conditional is never offense for the negative.

Full Judging Record

Tournament Lv Date Ev Rd Aff Neg Vote Result
Tournament of Champions HS 2021-04-17 CX Octafi Northside DS Glenbrook South MJ Neg Neg 2-1
Tournament of Champions HS 2021-04-17 CX R3 Minneapolis South CC Peninsula RW Neg
National Debate Coaches Association National Championship HS 2021-04-10 NPOL Octos St Mark's School of Texas PJ Calvert Hall CD Aff Aff 3-0
National Debate Coaches Association National Championship HS 2021-04-10 POL Dbls Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart FP Lawrence Free State RM Aff Aff 3-0
National Debate Coaches Association National Championship HS 2021-04-10 POL R6 North Broward Prep GG Caddo Magnet KL Aff
National Debate Coaches Association National Championship HS 2021-04-10 POL R5 St Mark's School of Texas YB Washburn Rural DJ Aff
National Debate Coaches Association National Championship HS 2021-04-10 POL R3 Crossings Christian BY Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart AA Neg
National Debate Coaches Association National Championship HS 2021-04-10 POL R1 Notre Dame DP Oak Park and River Forest RB Neg
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational 2021-04-02 CX Semi 703 702 Neg Neg 3-0
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational MS 2021-04-02 CX Quarte 712 708 Neg Neg 3-0
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational 2021-04-02 CX R4 713 711 Neg
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational 2021-04-02 CX R3 701 702 Neg
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational HS 2021-04-02 CX R2 707 709 Aff
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational 2021-04-02 CX R1 708 714 Aff
1st and 2nd Year National Championships at Woodward Academy HS 2021-03-19 CX2 Octas Alpharetta Anish Kapoor & Abhiram Dasari Damien Stephen Lewis & Omar Darwish Neg Neg 3-0
1st and 2nd Year National Championships at Woodward Academy HS 2021-03-19 CX1 R6 Woodward Baudy & Patel Pine Crest Lewin & Whiteside Aff
1st and 2nd Year National Championships at Woodward Academy HS 2021-03-19 CX1 R5 Lexington Tipirneni & Wang Blue Valley Southwest Lloyd & Howerton Aff
1st and 2nd Year National Championships at Woodward Academy HS 2021-03-19 CX1 R4 Pine Crest Wurman & Norkin Henry W Grady D'Agostino & Deo Aff
1st and 2nd Year National Championships at Woodward Academy MS 2021-03-19 CX2 R3 Pace Forrest Pollard & Luca Tanasa Pine Crest Mahyoub Yatak & Michael Greenberg Aff
1st and 2nd Year National Championships at Woodward Academy HS 2021-03-19 CX2 R1 Berkeley Prep Rachel Howell & Sundee Win Alpharetta Anish Nayak & Anish Thatiparthi Neg
TFA State HS 2021-03-10 CX R6 Reagan LV Dulles DJ Aff
TFA State HS 2021-03-10 CX R5 Coppell YP Dulles AG Aff
TFA State HS 2021-03-10 CX R2 Coppell KC Round Rock GP Aff
47th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament HS 2021-02-12 VCX Octas Reagan LS North Broward Prep GG Neg Neg 3-0
47th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament HS 2021-02-12 VCX R4 Liberal Arts and Science KM North Broward Prep GG Neg
47th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament HS 2021-02-12 VCX R3 Cambridge HS MS Damien AD Neg
47th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament HS 2021-02-12 VCX R2 Eagan LS Sidwell PS Aff
47th Annual Harvard National Forensics Tournament HS 2021-02-12 VCX R1 Thomas Jefferson HSST XC Hendrickson OP Aff
35th Annual Stanford Invitational HS 2021-02-06 CX-N Semifi St Mark's School of Texas HP Aurorae Young CC Aff Aff 3-0
35th Annual Stanford Invitational HS 2021-02-06 CX-N Quarte Head-Royce BB St Mark's School of Texas HP Neg Neg 3-0
35th Annual Stanford Invitational HS 2021-02-06 CX-N R6 Archbishop Mitty MA College Prep IK Aff
35th Annual Stanford Invitational HS 2021-02-06 CX-N R1 College Prep JA Isidore Newman LN Neg
Barkley Forum for High Schools HS 2021-01-29 PEL PFB North Broward Prep GG Lexington BY Aff Aff 2-1
Barkley Forum for High Schools HS 2021-01-29 PEL ADW North Broward Prep GG Little Rock Central LP Aff Aff 2-1
Barkley Forum for High Schools HS 2021-01-29 PEL R6 Henry W Grady KR Altamont AY Neg
Barkley Forum for High Schools HS 2021-01-29 PEL R4 New Trier RW North Broward Prep DR Aff
Barkley Forum for High Schools HS 2021-01-29 PEL R1 Newark Science DS Colleyville Heritage CZ Neg
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 Pol Semis Reagan AG Barsto BM Aff Aff 3-0
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 Pol Quarte WinChu AD Barsto BM Neg Neg 2-1
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 Pol Octos SMSOT CY Reagan KR Aff Neg 2-1
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston MS 2021-01-14 Pol Double Jesuit JB YGBA BC Neg Neg 2-1
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 Pol R5 FoxCha RM Reagan KR Neg
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 Pol R4 WinChu KO SMSOT CY Neg
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 Pol R3 Kamiak LL CleLak LG Aff
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 NCX R2 Barsto GP Kinkai LT Aff
The Cougar Classic at the University of Houston HS 2021-01-14 Pol R1 Dulles AG Garfie PT Neg
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament HS 2020-11-21 NCX Octos New Trier DM Univ Of Chicago Lab BC Aff Aff 2-1
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament HS 2020-11-21 NCX R4 New Trier DM Notre Dame LH Aff
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament HS 2020-11-21 NCX R3 Crossings Christian CL Isidore Newman MR Aff
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament HS 2020-11-21 NCX R2 Washburn Rural AM Montgomery Bell MT Neg
Glenbrooks Speech and Debate Tournament HS 2020-11-21 NCX R1 NSU AL BASIS Peoria MB Aff
The Ed Long Invitational at The Hockaday School HS 2020-11-06 VCX Semi Winston Churchill DS Jesuit BJ Aff Aff 3-0
The Ed Long Invitational at The Hockaday School HS 2020-11-06 VCX Quarte Winston Churchill DS Jesuit BC Aff Aff 3-0
The Ed Long Invitational at The Hockaday School HS 2020-11-06 VCX R4 Jesuit MN Lovejoy CL Neg
The Ed Long Invitational at The Hockaday School HS 2020-11-06 NCX R3 Jesuit AC St Mark's School of Texas PJ Neg
The Ed Long Invitational at The Hockaday School HS 2020-11-06 VCX R1 Jesuit JR St Mark's School of Texas GT Neg
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational 2020-10-10 CX Quarte ADL TK FPS/KCI KT Neg Neg 3-0
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational 2020-10-10 CX N-Quar KCI CY ADL WY Neg Neg 3-0
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational 2020-10-10 CX R4 FPS TC ADL TK Neg
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational HS 2020-10-10 CX R3 TaiAme LW FPS WC Aff
NSDA Taiwan Members Invitational HS 2020-10-10 CX R2 ADL YT IBST RC Aff
Mid America Cup HS 2020-09-25 Pol Octos Interlake Qian & Palanciuc Minneapolis South Niblett & Reehl Aff Aff 2-1
Mid America Cup HS 2020-09-25 Pol Double Minneapolis South Niblett & Reehl Interlake Zhao & Okahata Aff Aff 2-1
Mid America Cup HS 2020-09-25 Pol R3 Niles West Mahmud & Kostovetsky Interlake Ganesh & Cai Neg
Mid America Cup HS 2020-09-25 Pol R2 Interlake Zhao & Okahata Heights WA Aff
Mid America Cup HS 2020-09-25 Pol R1 Farmington Koperski & Freeburg Liberal Arts and Science Kwan & Miller Aff
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD V Double Liberal Arts and Science BR Glenbrook North BC Neg Neg 3-0
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD RS Octas McDonogh RS Calvert Hall BS Neg Neg 2-1
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD N R6 USN SC CK McClatchy SB Neg
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD V R5 Glenbrook North BM Head Royce KR Aff
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD V R4 Univ Of Chicago Lab KP Pittsburgh Central Catholic OH Aff
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD V R3 USN KC Liberal Arts and Science BR Neg
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD V R2 DC International AR Liberal Arts and Science KM Aff
National Speech and Debate Season Opener Hosted by UK HS 2020-09-12 PD V R1 Lexington TK Crossings Christian HK Aff
Golden Desert Debate Tournament at UNLV 2020 HS 2020-02-01 VCX R6 Glenbrook South RH Gulliver Prep VL Aff
Golden Desert Debate Tournament at UNLV 2020 HS 2020-02-01 VCX R5 Notre Dame AK Casady BH Neg
Golden Desert Debate Tournament at UNLV 2020 HS 2020-02-01 VCX R4 Notre Dame PP Kent Denver AT Aff
Golden Desert Debate Tournament at UNLV 2020 HS 2020-02-01 VCX R3 Westminster FK Fort Collins CK Aff
Golden Desert Debate Tournament at UNLV 2020 HS 2020-02-01 VCX R2 Oak Hill CH Kent Denver CT Aff
Golden Desert Debate Tournament at UNLV 2020 HS 2020-02-01 VCX R1 Univ Of Chicago Lab KN Westminster YL Neg
East Kansas District Tournament HS 2019-12-13 CX R3 S Tuohey & Jones J Zimmerman & Woodcock Neg Neg 2-1
East Kansas District Tournament HS 2019-12-13 CX R2 F McCarthy & Wallenburg S Smith & Shaw Aff Aff 2-1
KCKSNCFL Policy HS 2019-12-06 Var R5 Blue Valley West Verma & Bagga Shawnee Mission South Tuohey & Henderson Aff Neg 2-1
KCKSNCFL Policy HS 2019-12-06 Var R4 Blue Valley Southwest Wu & Ziegelman Shawnee Mission West Neal & Wright Aff Aff 3-0
KCKSNCFL Policy HS 2019-12-06 Var R3 Blue Valley Southwest Pieropan & Helixon Shawnee Mission East Lahovary & Henry Aff Aff 3-0
KCKSNCFL Policy HS 2019-12-06 Var R2 Blue Valley Southwest Sathish & Swanson Blue Valley West Mehta & Das Neg Neg 2-1
KCKSNCFL Policy HS 2019-12-06 Var R1 Piper Rice & Flory Shawnee Mission South Tran & Flassig Aff Aff 3-0
Iowa Caucus Debates HS 2019-10-25 VCX Q Iowa City CW Edina AB Aff Aff 2-1
Iowa Caucus Debates HS 2019-10-25 VCX R6 Iowa City West BL Edina SA Aff
Iowa Caucus Debates HS 2019-10-25 VCX R5 Minneapolis Washburn JK Edina LO Aff
Heart of Texas HS 2019-10-18 PD R6 Stevens Point Area Senior High (SPASH) GJ Winston Churchill MB Neg
Heart of Texas HS 2019-10-18 PD R5 Blue Valley Southwest SS Westside KS Neg
Heart of Texas HS 2019-10-18 PD R4 Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart CG Blue Valley Southwest HP Neg
Heart of Texas HS 2019-10-18 PD R3 Barstow MT Niles West BB Aff
Heart of Texas HS 2019-10-18 PD R2 Niles West DS Winston Churchill VA Aff
Heart of Texas HS 2019-10-18 PD R1 Coppell AK Harker JP Aff
NSDA Taiwan Invitational MS 2019-10-11 PF Final 516 525 Pro Pro 2-1
NSDA Taiwan Invitational 2019-10-11 OCX Quarte 811 814 Neg
NSDA Taiwan Invitational MS 2019-10-11 PF Octo 525 513 Pro
NSDA Taiwan Invitational 2019-10-11 OCX R4 810 801 Neg
NSDA Taiwan Invitational 2019-10-11 NCX Semi 707 709 Aff Aff 3-0
NSDA Taiwan Invitational 2019-10-11 OCX R3 815 813 Aff
NSDA Taiwan Invitational 2019-10-11 OCX R2 814 805 Aff
NSDA Taiwan Invitational MS 2019-10-11 OCX R1 816 817 Neg
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2Week HS 2019-07-03 2Wk Finals Duff/Henry RZ Duff/Henry MW Aff Aff 4-1
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2Week 2019-07-03 2Wk R6 Fry/Saunders CY Esquivel/Scott SR Neg
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2Week HS 2019-07-03 2Wk R5 Duff/Henry MB Cerja/Willett RP Aff
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2Week HS 2019-07-03 2Wk R4 Duff/Henry FK Fry/Saunders KC Neg
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2Week 2019-07-03 2Wk R1 Fry/Saunders PB Cerja/Willett AA Aff
Shawnee Mission East HS 2018-11-09 DCI R3 Blue Valley North Dmitrienko & Mao Lawrence Davidson & Rose Aff
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD Octas Loyola AO Arcadia JC Neg Aff 2-1
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD Doub Loyola SN Archbishop Mitty JP Neg Neg 3-0
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD Doub Harvard-Westlake NR Arcadia JC Neg Neg 2-1
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R5 Dougherty Valley AR Loyola AO Neg
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R5 Harvard-Westlake JG Loyola BC Aff
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R4 Marlborough CL Archbishop Mitty IV Aff
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R4 Harvard-Westlake JC Sage Hill TG Neg
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R3 Archbishop Mitty JL Sage Hill AA Aff
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R3 Harvard-Westlake AL Archbishop Mitty JP Neg
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R2 Arcadia ML Harvard-Westlake JM Neg
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R2 Marlborough EY Brentwood LE Aff
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R1 Harvard-Westlake AG Loyola VC Aff
Jack Howe Memorial Tournament HS 2018-09-22 TOCLD R1 Harvard-Westlake MP Marlborough LD Aff
KCKSNCFL Policy Qualifier HS 2017-12-01 Var R5 BVN Mendelson & McMahon BVSW Lowe & Edwards Aff Aff 2-1
KCKSNCFL Policy Qualifier HS 2017-12-01 Var R4 ShaMis Rodriguez-Hanley & Colvin MilVal Babcock & Babcock Aff Aff 3-0
Heart of Texas Invitational HS 2017-10-13 PD R4 Brophy CP GS Glenbrook South GS Aff
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2017-07-05 2Wk Octos Singleton/Zuckerman HT Coleman/Wefald TJ Neg Neg 3-0
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2017-07-05 2Wk R4 Cooper/Saunders SM Bajorek/Kirk SM Aff
Jayhawk Debate Institute 2017-07-05 2Wk R3 Kennedy/Welch BH Birzer/Oatman CH Neg