Liam Donnelly Paradigm

Last changed 4/22 5:58P PDT

4/22 update: two pre-TOC thoughts about the immigration topic:

1 - I don't think there's a great arg for not reading a plan specific to this topic.

2 - DAs on this topic have a bad rap. Sure, link evidence describing the aff is often non-existent. But there is a plethora of cards that could be read as pertaining to the aff, but for which the negative is unwilling to make those sorts of connections. I don't think you need a card saying everything. Reading a card about, say, a hypothetical immigration reform and then making a strong case for why that reform is not meaningfully different from the aff is sufficient to at least have a link argument.

/end of update

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No tag team CX (see bottom). Prep ends when the flash drive leaves the computer or when you hit "send."

Coach at Ingraham. 4 years of policy in HS, 2 years of policy at the University of Puget Sound. The way I think about debate is largely influenced by my high school and college coaches: Danielle Jennings and Jame Stevenson. My favorite judges as a competitor were Ben Menzies and Geoff Lundeen. My least favorite judge was Brandon Silk.

I consider myself to be a critic of arguments. I don't adopt a single paradigm when judging debates. I try to tease-out the way that debaters would like me to evaluate certain arguments and the extent to which these evaluative directions are contested. I'm open to anything. What follows is a discussion of how I tend to consider arguments.

Big Picture
Claim + Warrant + Impact.

I’ve judged a lot of debaters who have been far too unclear for me to flow them effectively. I’ve even judged debaters this year that have been—gasp—too fast for me to flow. I’ll sometimes call clear, but even momentary lapses in clarity can alter the way I view a round.

I’m a technical judge and I try to protect later speeches. Arguments that are truly dropped are presumed true, at least insofar as they were initially made. A simple example: Dropping a warranted argument saying the CP would be delayed means I will assume it true for the purposes of the debate that the CP happens later than the aff would. Unless it was made clear why this matters, it won’t get the aff very far. If the 1AR then says something like “this means they don’t solve imminent nuclear threats identified in the 1AC” then, by default, I think the 2NR can respond to the claim that delaying implies anything about solving these nuclear threats but not to the claim that the CP is delayed.

I might read some evidence. How the evidence is debated frames the role the evidence plays in my decision.

Arguments

"Clash of Civs" - Affs that aren't about the topic or don't have an advocacy statement? Affs without a plan that still discuss immigration policy? I’m a lot better for the latter. To me, T is a floor, FW is a ceiling. I care more that the aff is T than that it has a plan. And I think that what is topical can be informed by one’s relation to the topic. But I think Fairness is important and a terminal impact. In the hypothetical where one team has won a fairness argument, the other an exclusion argument, and there is zero comparison thereof, I’ll come down on the side of fairness every time. If you’re reading a K aff, you likely need defense against the theory part of the T debate.

I think you need an interp in Framework/T debates. I think the best strategy against Framework for an aff that is in the direction of the topic should include some interpretation of what the aff does defend - eg, the aff has to defend a restriction, not necessarily the usfg - coupled with some reasons wh what the aff doesn't have to defend is bad. I'm a stickler for you needing an interp in these sorts of debates.

"Egregious condo, terrible negative arguments" - 1NCs that read 2 bad CPs, a generic K, and 3 DAs that don't have uniqueness? You deserve to lose on condo. But the 2AC in most of these debates just needs to make a few analytics to effectively deal with over half the 1NC. In this sense, I do care about the truth value of your arguments; if you’re missing a bunch of internal links, not much ink needs to go on the flow to eliminate the DA.

Ks - "All our links are disadvantages to the perm" is sometimes intuitively true, but often cannot just be asserted. Links should have an impact and reason why the alt solves.

CPs - If I’m being honest, I think CPs should be both textually and functionally competitive, and that agent CPs are legitimate but process CPs are not competitive. Solvency deficits need to be impacted.

"Impact framing" - I’ll rarely vote on a big impact with significantly reduced risk just because it’s big. Significant differences in the plausibility of the DA usually proceed magnitude. But, “impact framing” debates aren’t doing much for me. In a lot of these debates, it seems like a lot of arguments assume that the risk of the big impact is low. But then “team structural impacts” ends up having bad defense and never backing this assumption up. Reading a bunch of abstract cards about probability should take the backseat to winning that the other team’s impact is low-probability.

Defaults (these hold unless otherwise debated): competing interpretations over reasonability. No judge-kick of arguments extended in the 2nr. It is possible for me to assign zero risk to an argument (but not likely enough for me to recommend as strategic not extending offense in your final rebuttal). Presumption flips aff when i'm comparing the aff to a world other than the status quo.

Logistics

I think that debaters have a responsibility to make their arguments comprehensible to their opponents. This means that debaters can call "clear" or "slow" if need be, or teams can arrange another means of communicating this.

I give more points clustered around the median than other judges. If you’re clear and explain your arguments, expect 27.5-28. Organization, knowledge of arguments, CX quality, and strategic decision-making are important in how I give points.

Tag team: I think each debater needs to give and get a CX, and give a constructive and rebuttal. At times, it has felt like tag teaming has been a legitimized means for problematic power dynamics between partners to exist.

Clipping: loss and a zero. Intent is irrelevant. Making a false accusation hurts your points but doesn’t give you an auto-L. Usually you need a recording.

Don't say exclusionary things. Don't misgender your opponents. Let me know if you need accommodations or to take a moment for personal health.

Full Judging Record

Tournament Date Ev Rd Aff Neg Vote Result
Tournament of Champions 4/27/2019 CX R4 North Broward Prep DF Nevada Union AN Aff
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/22/2019 Pol Qrtrs Interlake BP Ferris OS Neg Neg on a 3-0
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/22/2019 Pol R5 Bellingham SS University DK Neg
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/22/2019 Pol R3 St George's DD Ferris OS Neg
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/22/2019 Pol R1 St George's CR Gig Harbor SJ Neg
33rd Annual Stanford Invitational 2/9/2019 VCX Semifi Bellarmine College Prep VR Georgetown Day PS Neg Neg on a 2-1
33rd Annual Stanford Invitational 2/9/2019 VCX Quarte St. Vincent De Paul BP SLC West KB Neg Aff on a 2-1
33rd Annual Stanford Invitational 2/9/2019 VCX Octafi SLC West KB Peninsula FM Aff Aff on a 3-0
33rd Annual Stanford Invitational 2/9/2019 VCX R6 Sonoma KE Lindale SJ Neg
33rd Annual Stanford Invitational 2/9/2019 VCX R5 Gig Harbor JD Hawken TM Aff
33rd Annual Stanford Invitational 2/9/2019 VCX R3 Gunn Sr SS Sonoma HN Neg
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OPF Qrtrs Interlake Kim & Park Seattle Academy Of Arts and Science Zachariah & Lee Neg
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OLD R6 Bellevue Li Interlake Wang Aff
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OCX R5 Interlake Feng & Palanciuc Garfield Kang & Schmidt Aff
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OLD R4 Forest Ridge Gupta Interlake Wang Neg
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OLD R4 Forest Ridge Sui Interlake Yadav Neg
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OCX R3 Garfield Kang & Schmidt Garfield Harding & Chinowsky Aff
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OCX R2 Interlake Pal & Qian Garfield Thomas & Frazer Neg
Winterlake Invitational 2/1/2019 OCX R1 Interlake Feng & Palanciuc Garfield Lawson & Draper Neg
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX Quarte OES TC Lincoln GS Neg Neg on a 3-0
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX Octo Interlake FC Kamiak BD Neg Neg on a 3-0
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX Double Kamiak LK Ferris OS Neg Neg on a 2-1
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX R6 Heritage Hall SN Glacier RA Aff
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX R5 Oak Hill BC Garfield LD Aff
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX R4 Interlake NT Nevada Union AN Neg
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX R3 Interlake LS OES TC Neg
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX R2 Head Royce WM Kamiak BD Neg
The Conway at Gonzaga University 1/4/2019 OpeCX R1 Timberline HT Lewis and Clark CK Aff
Saint Georges Invitational 12/7/2018 OPol Quarte OES OW Damien BG Aff Aff on a 3-0
Saint Georges Invitational 12/7/2018 OPol R6 Garfield FT St George's DG Neg
Saint Georges Invitational 12/7/2018 OPol R4 Silver Creek RV Gonzaga Prep RB Neg
Saint Georges Invitational 12/7/2018 OPol R3 St George's CR Garfield DL Neg
Saint Georges Invitational 12/7/2018 OPol R2 Damien BG Ferris OS Aff
Tahoma High School Golden Bear Classic 11/16/2018 N-CX Semis Gig Harbor SO Eastlake BD Neg Neg on a 3-0
Tahoma High School Golden Bear Classic 11/16/2018 N-PF Quarte Mount Si AJ Interlake LS Aff Aff on a 3-0
Tahoma High School Golden Bear Classic 11/16/2018 O-CX R5 Kamiak KB Mount Vernon GM Neg
Tahoma High School Golden Bear Classic 11/16/2018 O-CX R4 Garfield PW Interlake PB Neg
Tahoma High School Golden Bear Classic 11/16/2018 O-LD R3 Vashon MS Newport VC Aff
Tahoma High School Golden Bear Classic 11/16/2018 O-CX R2 Garfield PB Interlake NT Neg
Tahoma High School Golden Bear Classic 11/16/2018 O-CX R1 Garfield FT Interlake LS Aff
Gig Harbor Invitational 11/2/2018 OCX R5 Garfield PB Mercer Island WL Aff
Gig Harbor Invitational 11/2/2018 OCX R4 Interlake LD Gonzaga Prep RB Neg
Federal Way Invitational and NIETOC Qualifier 1/12/2018 OCX S Interlake NT Ingraham VZ Neg Neg on a 3-0
Federal Way Invitational and NIETOC Qualifier 1/12/2018 OCX R5 Garfield BF Ingraham DS Aff
Federal Way Invitational and NIETOC Qualifier 1/12/2018 OCX R4 Interlake NT Garfield DL Neg
Federal Way Invitational and NIETOC Qualifier 1/12/2018 OCX R2 Gig Harbor SG Garfield BT Neg
Federal Way Invitational and NIETOC Qualifier 1/12/2018 OCX R1 Garfield HW Eastlake WY Neg
Puget Sound 84th High School Invitational 1/5/2018 OLD E5 Palo Alto (Independent) FZ Kamiak NB Aff Aff on a 3-0
Puget Sound 84th High School Invitational 1/5/2018 OLD E3 Brentwood EL Gig Harbor KG Neg Neg on a 3-0
Puget Sound 84th High School Invitational 1/5/2018 LDJV E2 Newport BG Gig Harbor KR Aff Aff on a 2-1
Puget Sound 84th High School Invitational 1/5/2018 OLD R3 Lake Oswego Senior JS Newport AM Neg
Puget Sound 84th High School Invitational 1/5/2018 CXOP R2 Gig Harbor Justin Shaw & Hallie Jones Garfield Nathan Wall & Chris Wen Aff
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/1/2017 V-CX Semis Interlake LC St George's GV Aff Neg on a 2-1
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/1/2017 V-CX Qrtrs Interlake YR Damien BJ Aff Neg on a 2-1
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/1/2017 V-CX Octas Lincoln WS Damien BJ Neg Neg on a 2-1
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/1/2017 V-CX R5 Oregon Episcopal ZO St George's GV Neg
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/1/2017 V-CX R3 Gig Harbor KD Damien BJ Neg
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/1/2017 V-CX R1 Interlake TY Garfield DL Aff
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/17/2017 Pol Finals Interlake HS - Bellevue CL St George's VG Neg Aff on a 2-1
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/17/2017 Pol Qrtrs St George's VG Garfield ZR Aff Aff on a 3-0
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/17/2017 Pol R5 Ingraham DK St George's VG Neg
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/17/2017 Pol R4 Gonzaga Prep AM Bellingham HR Neg
Washington State Debate Tournament 3/17/2017 Pol R2 St George's CD Eastlake WY Aff
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R9 Interl Lee & Li CarVal Rao & Tang Aff Aff on a 3-0
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R8 SanMar Wang & Chou Interl Dai & Sun Neg Neg on a 3-0
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R7 Interl Dai & Sun FulUni Gray & Koh Aff Aff on a 3-0
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R6 OES(Or Little & Reichman Ingrah Kolar & Dark Aff
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R5 Interl Chen & Li StGeo Darnall & Chaudhry Neg
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R4 GigHar Harbaugh & Monro Garfie Liu & Martinez Aff
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R3 Interl Zhang & Peng Ingrah Guthrie-Honea & Watajaa Neg
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R2 FulUni Gray & Koh StGeo Generous & Vera Aff
Galentine Memorial Tournament at the University of Washington 12/2/2016 V-CX R1 LakOsw Avery & Padgett Ingrah Zhu & Toms Aff
Damus Hollywood Invitational and USC RR 11/5/2015 VarCX Octs Meadows BN Juan Diego Catholic DM Neg Aff on a 2-1
Damus Hollywood Invitational and USC RR 11/5/2015 VarCX R5 Damien AY Georgetown Day BQ Neg
Damus Hollywood Invitational and USC RR 11/5/2015 VarCX R4 Desert Vista WG Nevada Union RM Aff
Damus Hollywood Invitational and USC RR 11/5/2015 VarCX R2 Jesuit CP TK CK McClatchy HN Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open Quarte Holy Schmitt KK Oculus OG Aff Neg on a 2-1
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open Octas D.W.A EE Holy Schmitt AV Neg Neg on a 3-0
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open R6 19db84 ZZ Snaps4Surveillance LJ Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open R5 Holy Schmitt BP Thuff Lab CH Aff
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Nov R5 Ubiquitors HM Ubiquitors PS Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Schol R5 $corpion$ CW Anonymous JaMa Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open R4 Rage Against The Machine GM $corpion$ RD Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Schol R4 Anonymous DJ Anonymous GM Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open R3 Holy Schmitt PM 19db84Ubiq JH Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Schol R3 Anonymous MP Anonymous BR Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open R2 D.W.A EE Thuff Lab EE Aff
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Schol R2 Anonymous BM Anonymous ES Neg
Gonzaga Debate Institute Tournament 7/22/2015 Open R1 Snaps4Surveillance WT Holy Schmitt CG Aff